I probably am..it is from the dailymail.

[sanielle]

But is this not the dumbest article you have ever read?

The man "hears of something" is not based on any fact, but the whole article is based on shit that he heard about some woman he treated.

Firstly should he not be discussing patients?

Secondly for fucks sake they don't talk about women who need to have abortions because they have been implanted with 8 kids ( no, all mothers don't go on to be octomum?)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1284831/How-COULD-woman-whos-IVF-abort-baby.h tml

link here he is only human. not really getting your reasons outrage.

Why do people read the Mail?

well there is that chocolatepants.

Don't really understand why you're upset...and he isn't breaking any confidentiality. He's just expressing his sadness and frustration, really...that's all I got from it.

And...I can't really blame him...why on earth would you go through the process of IVF, and then decide you didn't want the baby after all? Fair enough if there is something seriously wrong with the baby, but 'social reasons' just seems a bit wrong, even to me.

All the Mail readers can tut-tut about this over their rice crispies. What a lovely time breakfast must be in a Mail household!

The problem is it isn't an article. It just is something he heard. And of the 80 abortions a year.. he doesn't know how many are medical but it warrants an article?

Infertility is a horrible thing to go through..and I really can't imagine any of these women just aborting their babies for fun after all they have been through... But people read this kind of crap and believe and repeat it. Women (especially women going through IVF already get enough bile spewed about them.

Btw this was being discussed at work which is how I found it..and yes being discussed as though it were a fact that "these women just go throwing their babies away". I work with much older women..and think there is an amount of distrust against IVF and science in general.

I agree the article os pretty crap.

"social reasons" doesn't begin to explain the many many reasons that a woman might have chosen to have an abortion.

Just because a baby is desperately wanted doesn't mean that the parents are somehow buffered from the numerous external factors that could effect their decision to be parents:

Partners leave/cheat/become violent....People lose jobs and their homes...lives become unstable for a myriad of different reasons. Sometimes deciding not to continue a pregnancy is the responsible thing to do.

That aside, I suspect that the vast majority of the terminations relate to reductions in the case of multiples - not so much of a story when compared to the heartless career bitch who spends vast sums of money and heartache on a whim and then decides actually a baby isn't for her.

I'd be willing to bet they're women whose relationship has snapped under the sheer strain of infertility. Once the focus of actually getting pregnant has been removed, the cracks in the relationship open up and things have crumbled - and the woman just can't face the thought of having to go it alone. I've got a very strong relationship, yet fertility issues nearly drove ours to breaking point - I can understand how it could come to that - especially when you add in the sheer hormonal mangling that women going through IVF have to endure (especially when you consider it's generally been preceeded by months of fertility drugs before heading down IVF alley).

All I picked up when I read that story was that there was probably a desperately sad story underneath it all. Of course the Daily Mail has to please its readership, ensure that those who have children get their daily dose of being reminded that they're in the best club and continue with banging its "IVF is evil, the infertile are just selfish women who held off having a baby for too long so they could go on nice beach holidays" drum.

I say this as a Daily Mail reader (I like their features stuff, and find the hysterical codswallop aspect of their journalism hilarious) - but their anti-IVF constant stance doesn't half pee me off.

well, i think it raises a valid point. I can not begin to imagine the strain of having IVF and then making the decision to abort. But if it is happening, then I wonder why. The article has no answers , but it raises some interesting, if not sad issues/concerns/questions.

IVF has made babies into a potential consumer product, which then can be discarded as other consumer products are.

I'm surprised that he's surprised that IVF Mums abort. The kind of person going through IVF is more likely than a natural Mum to have wanted to ONLY have a child within a stable relationship. Waiting for this opportunity=delay=fertility decline=IVF. Therefore this group are probably more likely to abort because of relationship breakdown. If they had been willing to be single Mums they would have had the opportunity to have a child sooner.

Also, since IVF Mums are older than natural Mums it is more likely that they have had previous abortions so they have possibly already overcome the 'moral hurdle'.

Dr hasnt identified any pts.discussed general themes and ivf abortions has been reported in the times

OH FFS. Why shouldn't a woman who has been through IVF be afforded the exact same choice about abortion as any other woman would be? There's another thread on this here

"Also, since IVF Mums are older than natural Mums " it's not just older women who need IVF. Infact it's not just women with fertility problems who have IVF, often it is their partner who has the fertility problem.

"I can not begin to imagine the strain of having IVF and then making the decision to abort. But if it is happening, then I wonder why" Severe disability, abnormality of the foetus, too many embryos ... there are several reasons why. 80 abortions is not that many given the amount of IVF babies that are born each year.

"why on earth would you go through the process of IVF, and then decide you didn't want the baby after all? "

I I think it's mostly because there is something wrong with the foetus and the couple has decided that they do not want to bring a child into the world with whatever the disability is. I doubt very much if it's mostly to do with break-ups or a change of heart.

well there's a woman hating article if ever I read one

"A woman might see terminating her partner's baby as revenge for his being unfaithful, for example."

Think this line shows just how out of touch the guy is.

yes, that;s one of the things I had in mind when i said woman hating

Although the Times article seems to be just as crap.. They say because half of these women are under 35 the babies involved were "probably" fine.. and it was a social reason for termination.

Yes women under 35 never have special needs.

Yes women under 35 never have special needs (children).

that should say

My friend is 29, has a 20mo DD through IVF and a failed attempt recently Her DH is 48 and has fertility issues. She does not.

Lots of assumptions being made - including that 'social' means 'frivolous' - which is completely wrong.

The doctor seems to assume that women who terminate after IVF are selfish, wasteful or too dishonest or stupid to realise that IVF is expensive and difficult. I can't imagine how heartbreaking it must be to choose to terminate an IVF conceived baby. Not an easy choice.

Buy hey - imagine if my friend's DH suddenly cheated on her or started to beat her while she was pg with her DD. She has two older DCs. He paid for the IVF. Should she keep a child with a man who will not support her and is potentially a danger to her and her children just because she was not conceived 'naturally'? There are thousands of reasons why these women may have chosen termination, and this doctor knows none of them.

why should he need to know the precise reason for her abortion?