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victoriascrumptious · 01/06/2010 18:41

If I emailed the class teacher in the school dd will start when she is 3 and ask what system they use to teach children to read? Is that weird? I want her to have some grasp of reading before she starts and I don't want to confuse her by teaching her a different method.

Is that a bit OTT?

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mumbar · 01/06/2010 19:43

OP look on the EYFS website and it will give you the info you need about how children are given access to reading materials. They won't actually begin to 'teach' a child to read until reception but it's realy year 1 when the 'teaching' begins.

I used the ORT flashcards to play card games etc with DS from 3 yrs but his school use a different scheme so not aure it helped!

mumbar · 01/06/2010 19:44

'sure it helped'! Best I don't teach him to spell I think

dannyblanchflower · 01/06/2010 19:47

Can't sort the CAT message thing so this is the type of info that I would offer interested parents - it might take up lots of space - sorry.

Why begin Teaching Reading through Games?

It is vital that early reading experiences are happy and positive. The aim should be not just for children to learn to read, but to enjoy reading. Whilst games may appear to be an indirect approach, they do protect a child from a feeling of failure. By 'playing together' both parent and child are relaxed. Where a child could feel pressured in a formal teaching situation he/she will usually enjoy reading activities in a 'play' situation. This leaflet aims to give you simple ideas to try.

The Sounds of Letters

Tips for teaching your child the sounds:

? It is important for a child to learn lower case or small letters rather than capital letters at first. Most early books and games use lower case letters and your child will learn these first at school. Obviously you should use a capital letter when required, such as at the beginning of the child's name, eg. Paul.

? When you talk about letters to your child, remember to use the letter sounds: a buh cuh duh e ... rather than the alphabet names of the letters: ay bee see dee ee . The reason for this is that sounding out words is practically impossible if you use the alphabet names. eg. cat, would sound like: see ay tee

? When saying the sounds of b, d, g, j and w you will notice the 'uh' sound which follows each, for example buh, duh... You cannot say the sound without it, however, try to emphasise the main letter sound.
Sound Games to Play at Home?

Common Objects
Collect several objects that begin with the same sound and make a card with this letter sound on it. Make a second group of objects beginning with a different sound and a card to go with those.

Discuss the sounds of the letters on the two cards with your child and shuffle the objects. Separate the cards on the floor and ask your child to put each object near the sound that it starts with. This activity can help your child to "hear" the first sound of a word.

Odd-one Out
Say a number of words, all but one of which begin with the same sound. See if your child can pick out the odd one. It can be helpful to have the corresponding objects there for the child to look at.

I-Spy
For small children the usual way of playing that starts 'I spy with my little eye something that begins with ....' can be too difficult. You can make this easier by providing a clue. 'I spy with my little eye something that barks and begins with d'.

Sounds Scrapbook
Write a letter at the top of each page of a scrapbook. Concentrating on a few letters at a time collect pictures of objects that begin with those letters. Do not use as examples words where the first sound does not make its normal sound such as in giraffe, ship, cheese, thumb. Stick the pictures on the appropriate pages.

Games For Recognising Letter Shapes?

Fishing for Sounds
You will need a few cards with individual letters. Attach a paper clip to each card. Using a small stick with a string and magnet, your child fishes for letter sounds. If your child can say the sound of the letter he/she wins the card, otherwise you win it.

Sequencing the Letters in your Child's Name
Providing the individual letter cards for each letter of your child's first name can be a useful way to teach the sequence of letters. Remember you will need to write a capital for the first letter and lower case for the rest.

If you want to print out the cards using a word processor use a font such as Century Gothic on PC which has not a. Show your child how to make the name first, before shuffling the cards for him/her to have a try. For a very long name work with the first few and build up a letter at a time.

'What does it start with?' Box
You will need:
? A box
? Several items each beginning with a different sound
? Corresponding letter cards

This game is similar to the common objects game on the previous page, but the emphasis now is on recognising the sounds the letters make. Ask your child to choose an object from the box, to think what its first sound is (remember it is the sound you are looking for rather than the alphabet name) and then to match the object with the relevant card.

Sand Tray or Finger Paints
Children enjoy writing letters with their fingers in a tray of sand or with finger paints. These ways provide good opportunities to teach correct letter formation.

Sentence Games

This activity is quite useful when your child has been given an early reading book. Quite often parents say "He's not reading the book. He's remembering the story off by heart". This can happen. Some children become over-dependent on the picture clues and do not look for clues from the words.

Making Sentences
Read the book with your child so he/she is familiar with the story. Then simply use the first sentence from the reading book and copy it out on a strip of paper. Either write it out or if you use a word processor use a font such as Century Gothic (font size 36 at least). Leave a double space in between each word. Now cut up the sentence into the individual words. For example:

Ask your child to make the sentence, "This is a dog.", using the individual words. At first you will probably need to help. When he/she has made the sentence ask your child to read it to you and encourage him/her to point to each word with a finger.

Retain interest by only spending a few minutes a day on the activity. If your child makes a mistake do not say "That's wrong" immediately, because negative comments discourage. Ask your child to read the sentence and mistakes will often be self-corrected. If not, you can give clues such as, "What sound does dog start with?" If your child is still unable to read it, say positive comments such as "What a good try. You got all these right and only this part wrong. Well done." Then show your child the correct order.

dannyblanchflower · 01/06/2010 19:49

Sorry about the strange spacing, there were pictures in the original.

mumbar · 01/06/2010 20:00

Sorry just realised your abroad. What's IB??? I still think the EYFS would help and follows the same pattern of learning thayts pretty much what danny has kindly typed above.

There are fab books you can buy that are stories based around using phonics. My favourite 'the shark in the park' that gives you the drift.

mumbar · 01/06/2010 20:01

oh IB is it the international bacherlerette???

marcopront · 01/06/2010 20:16

Yes IB is International Baccalaurete. There are three programmes,
PYP Primary Years Programme which starts anything from 3 to 7 depending on the country the school is in.
MYP Middle Years Programme from 11 to 16.
Neither of these have a defined curriculum or IB set exams.
DP Diploma Programms from 16 to 18. This one does have a set syllabus and exams.

mumbar · 01/06/2010 20:21

I know they are trying to bring IB to English schools (poss UK?) as an alternative option.

Nothing to do with thread but interesting?

CaptainNancy · 01/06/2010 20:23

International Baccalaureate.

I am a bit at teachers saying "no" about children reading early- some children are ready a long time before they start school- I was, I learnt at 2.6- my mother was a primary teacher, by the time I started school (early) I was free-reading, and had completed the reading scheme.

Surely EYFS is all about children learning at their own pace, when they're ready?

I have questioned teachers in the prospective schools we have viewed about what happens with children who can already read, and tbh the answers have been vague, one was even downright evasive. DD (4.4) has just started free-reading, frankly she was ready to read a long time before she learned, and she has been taught by a qualified teacher, using phonics (ie exactly how she would be in school). Children further up the school can read, so why exactly can reception not cope with children who can read?

Or is it that all this mythical individualised learning is just bull?

pointydog · 01/06/2010 20:31

individualised learning is mythical if a child is not being taught individually

MiladyDeWinterOfDiscontent · 01/06/2010 20:41

My dd sort of absorbed reading from Jolly Phonics activities. She enjoyed them and could blend sounds into simple words at three and a half.

When she started in Reception in 2004 it was all very different and she wasn't expected to "read through" words (except for the tricky ones as in the JP system) but to guess from the picture, or from the story, or from the initial letter. This was absolutely drummed in to her, and the Oxford Reading Tree books at the time were very much "sight and see". It got so bad that from being able to read, "sat / sit / pat / pin / on / at " before starting school, she was guessing the word "children" instead of "dog"!

It was very confusing for her and I did try to go in to school to talk about it and was met with, "but it isn't your job to teach your dd to read, it is Mrs N's! She is a professional you know and has been to college and knows these things". This from the literacy person who was summoned because dd's class teacher didn't know what I was talking about and couldn't answer my questions.

Then followed lots of guff about "searchlights", a multi-strategy system which has its place, but phonics "first fast and only" at the time was considered the way to go and was used in private schools.

It was then that I pointed out that I had been literacy coordinator for the junior school a few years previously and had been looking into the Clackmannanshire and early reading research in general to horrified looks all round at me in my jeans and sweatshirt

Just my experience but it did take dd a long time to catch up and gain confidence with reading and her spelling has never recovered

Don't think you would be unreasonable at all in asking, and things may have changed for the better since dd was young so don't panic

marcopront · 01/06/2010 20:44

Mumbar

There are quite a few schools in the UK who offer the dimploma. I think it is the best pre university programme. I can tell you more about it if you want.
With the change in government, the other programmes may also be offered.

mumbar · 01/06/2010 20:57

I'm interested in IB but DS only 5.9 so a bit young yet if it's still only offered at 16+ thanks tho

Milady exactly the probs I had. DS 4.03 when he started school reading ORT level 1 and recognising all the it at on etc and a few sit sat etc. When they tested him he got shy and didn't do it so they labelled me a lier mum and haven't believed a word I've said since He was taught phonics so intensively he built up every word because they were told to fred talk everything. He would therefore read:

I S A T sat O N on the M A T mat.

Yet if you showed him these words he'd read them from memory!!!

Not even when the teacher called me in one day to show me I was wrong and DS read all the words from sight because he couldn't read the word 'son' which phonetically is a difficult one they said see he can't do it

MiladyDeWinterOfDiscontent · 01/06/2010 21:05

mumbar these attitudes are very sad to hear about. And yet every school I have ever worked in or had a child as a pupil at have always had "home - school partnership" policies which have to be agreed and signed. Complete waste of paper and effort.

Mind you, my ds is just three and has SN. I'm already rolling up my sleeves for battle with the LEA even though they seem to be very lovely and accommodating so far. I know what they're like!

mumbar · 01/06/2010 21:16

I actually work in an SN school for sld and pmld which has an excellent parent-school relationships. Maybe thats why I find it hard as DS school just seems to expect me to get him there!!!

When I spoke to teacher end of winter term he was w+ in writing. If he is still unlikely to get a level 2 next year and they won't help him I will simply find a school that will . Oh and tell the governers and LEA why!!!

I did question last yr when his EYfS profile score for maths was all 7's and for literacy 3 6's and a 7 that they stated he 'was working near to age expectations' A 6 is average and he was only 4.9 when this was done. There is no corrlation between what he is acheiving, what he can do and what they say.

It confuses me

I'm just a little concerned about moving him and starting him again as he had actually become happy there in the last 3 months and the after school tears have dried up.

Best of luck in your fight for little ds.

MiladyDeWinterOfDiscontent · 01/06/2010 22:46

Thanks mumbar. I wish you well getting the best provision for your son. It's all we can do isn't it?

mumbar · 01/06/2010 23:01

yeah just another skill us mums have

victoriascrumptious · 01/06/2010 23:11

Colecowpew: I take exception to that, I have already taught her conversational basics such as "innit" and "youwot?", and "rank" and as such I think she will have an excellent start in life as me as her teacher.

Dannyblanch: Thank you so much for taking the time to post that info. Was very helpful indeed

2andcounting: Yes I agree with your ethos. I'm not pushing her, i'm sure i'm not.

Marcopront: interested to hear about your experiences. I'm a little paranoid about internet privacy. You show me yours first

Compo/Castle Douglas thanks for the reassurance x

Mumbar: I will look up that website ta and that book. Yes there are quite a few school running the IB in the UK now. According to a friend who teaches it at secondary level it's harder than ALevel but provides a more rounded education. I'm not an educationalist myself so I cant nake any judgements on the validity of this. I know he says he enjoys teaching it more than he did the traditional Alevel/GCSE system and says the children learn to think critically in a way that ALevel/GCSE cant accommodate. He says a lot more but I can't do justice to it so maybe someone here with some teaching experience of this will be able to fill in the blanks. If this academy thing the govt is pushing takes off I think there will be more IB taught in schools.

CaptainNancy/Pointydog: I too had quite a good grasp of reading before starting school. It did wonders for me in terms of my confidence-particularly as I am dyslexic hence part of the reason why I am so keen. Not sure what individualised learning entails unless it is as simple as it sounds

Milady: yikes! sounds like it's best i find out then?!

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