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to expect a refund for my ID card?

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chicaguapa · 27/05/2010 18:35

DH and I both have ID cards, we spent £60 on them and have only had them for 2 months!!

I am absolutely furious at Teresa May's comment that we can at least keep our ID cards as a souvenir! No doubt, as the majority of the 15,000 people who paid for one in good faith and had it taken away from them and not receiving a refund for the pleasure is in the North West, she doesn't give a shit.

Ok so they don't want to spend any more money on it. But everyone who had one was voluntarily on that database so why scrap it altogether and make them completely invalid, wasting our money and what they've spent so far?

And they're keeping quiet about all the people who they employed who will now be losing their jobs. I really want to do something about this but don't know where to start.

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sanielle · 28/05/2010 13:04

If you were told they would be valid ID for 10 years no matter whay YANBU!!!

How rubbish for you. Just because more aren't being issued doesn't mean they should not count what the previous government considered legal.

lljkk · 28/05/2010 14:30

Did anyone hear David Blunkett on radio today saying that he intends to sue since he paid for one and it will soon be defunct?!

longfingernailspaintedblue · 28/05/2010 14:42

YABU. You were foolish to get an ID card in the first place. Though £60 is a lot of money, you should be thankful that your stupidity has not cost you more.

Imagine if the compulsory ID card scheme had gone ahead, the inevitable data leaks had occurred, and your identity had been stolen. It could have cost you both far more than £60.

Suck it up and enjoy the fact that you now live in a country where civil liberties are being taken slightly more seriously.

StrictlyTory · 28/05/2010 18:32

Ok so it was voluntary and you expect our massively in debt Govt to refund you... as if that will happen! Why should it? I don't ask for a tenth of my money back if I don't use my passport for a year. I choice to get one so I paid for it. End of.

StrictlyTory · 28/05/2010 18:33

Ooops my choice

chicaguapa · 28/05/2010 22:44

You'd expect your money back if they took your passport away though, surely?

Surprised IABU really. Let's hope none of you ever voluntarily buy something that turns out to be completely useless because someone else has decided to make it so and heaven forbid that you feel pissed off about it and feel you should get a refund.

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FakePlasticTrees · 28/05/2010 22:55

Well, maybe it'd be reasonable to let you trade them in to give a £30 discount for a new passport...

LadyFleurie · 05/06/2010 10:17

My husband has written to his MP and MEPs and lodged a complaint with the European Commission for infringement by the UK of EU law. The following summarises why.

Like 15,000 other British citizens, he paid £30 in good faith for a national identity card to use as a travel document throughout the EEA and Switzerland, because passports are too large to fit in a wallet or purse. Many British citizens, while staying in other EU countries, break national laws by failing to carry a national identity card or passport at all times, for the simple reasons that they do not have an ID card and that a passport is too bulky to carry at all times. The ID card addresses this problem, and those who have paid £30 for one should be allowed to enjoy the benefit for which they have paid until its expiry date.

Immigration officers in all EEA countries and Switzerland are already trained to recognise British ID cards along with at least 25 unique types of ID cards issued by other EEA member states. The fact that only 15,000 cards have been issued by the UK should not be an impediment to their continued international recognition, given that Gibraltar for example issues around 25,000 ID cards to British citizens, which have been recognised for many years throughout the EEA despite their rarity. Furthermore, it is absurd that while the UK Border Agency continues to allow travellers to enter the UK on ID cards issued by France, Lithuania or Bulgaria, it will soon stop allowing entry using ID cards issued by the United Kingdom. British citizens should not be disadvantaged compared to citizens of other EU countries, especially when entering their own country.

The planned cancellation of current travel documents has not been properly planned. There are many scenarios where British citizens will be stranded abroad as a result of the impending cancellation of their valid travel documents. Take the very common example of a British citizen who leaves the UK to work on a six-month contract in a Schengen country. Leaving his passport safely locked away at home in the UK, he travels out using his ID card, but when he returns six months later, he finds that, on instruction of the British government, his unexpired travel document is suddenly not recognised at Schengen exit controls, not accepted by the airline for boarding the aircraft and not accepted by the UK Border Agency. This is an appalling way for the British government to treat its citizens. This scenario, which is very likely and just one of hundreds of possible circumstances, demonstrates that the planned cancellation of travel documents is contrary to the EU treaty provision of the free movement of persons. Travel documents should always remain valid until their stated expiry date, and should never be cancelled prematurely for political reasons.

For the reasons above, the United Kingdom's forthcoming Identity Documents Bill, Section 2, Paragraph 2, which proposes to cancel existing ID cards as travel documents before their expiry dates, is:

  1. contrary to the European Union treaty provision of the free movement of persons;
  2. in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights, Protocol 4, Article 2; and
  3. in breach of European Directive 2004/38/EC, Chapter II, Article 4, Paragraph 3.

Instructions for lodging a complaint about infringement of EU law are at ec.europa.eu/community_law/your_rights/your_rights_forms_en.htm but they will not entertain complaints about the lack of a £30 refund, only about the forthcoming impediment to European travel. There is also a Facebook page on this subject at www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=123582937674980

chicaguapa · 06/06/2010 10:57

Excellent! Thanks for taking the time to type all that! I have been away hence the lack of reply. I will have a look at both links now.

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Bunnyjo · 06/06/2010 11:22

chicaguapa you said 'You'd expect your money back if they took your passport away though, surely?'

I got married in 2004 and had previously renewed my passport in my maiden name in 2003 (I have family abroad and visit them regularly). I then had to renew my passport after getting married and pay the passport costs AGAIN. All in all I have paid for 2x 10yr passports that are only valid for 12yrs in total (they added 9mth to my new passport as 'compensation' for losing 8yrs ).

So, all in all, yes YABU.

edam · 06/06/2010 11:30

As most people have said, you chose to buy one. And you must have noticed that Labour were very, very unlikely to win the election.

I don't see why, when the country is in deep shit financially, you should expect to be bailed out by taxpayers. Sorry, but you made the wrong call.

edam · 06/06/2010 11:30

(Mind you, it is a bit unfair that it won't be a valid form of ID for people who already have one.)

MrsHarkness · 06/06/2010 11:32

It was voluntary and with the General Election coming up there was always a good possibility of the tories getting in who were opposed to it, therefore there was always the possibility it would be scrapped so YES YABU!

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