to think the song 'ten little indians' is inappropriate?

[melondrama]

yesterday at my local church baby/toddler group the leader introduced this song at circle time and it seemed very wrong. especially as 1 regular mum and dd are indian and looked very confused.. I didn't sing along! I was thinking to have a word with the leader as she is a neighbour friend but am I over reacting?

We call them North American Natives now, you know? Not american indians.

Too much "correctness". There is nothing wrong with using the word Indian in the song because NOWHERE in the song, is it used in a derogatory way. YABU IMO

sgm like i said to people here first nations people are fictional history folk, like pixies

possibly almost as real as the na'vi

they aren't real, extant people who have preferences about what they are called, who can be offended by incorrect terms/stereotypes eg the woo woo woo crap

thus there can be no offensive terminology regarding them

i used to visibly flinch when i first came here and people asked me if there were many red indians where i was from

jesus do you have any idea what you SOUND like i would think

but again indian=fairy=elf etc so anything goes and you're the freak for objecting

having said that there is also that attitude in n america there are the cleveland indians (baseball?)whose fans do the tomahawk chop

I don't like this "Jesus" word used as an expletive Chibi.

sorry cat

people here just don't think first nations people exist in a modern sense

they think they are historical artifacts, like cowboys perhaps

since when were cowboys historical artefacts?

No you're right

I've completely invalidated my argument

carry on using whatever racial slurs you like

they aren't people, they are a fancy dress option

That song is so offensive to monkeys, ScreaminEagle.

Humpty Dumpty is an offence to Chickens,
Mary Mary - quite contrary is an offence to anyone called Mary who is not contrary.
Ring Ring of Roses is an offence to anybody whose relations died in the plague.
The list is endless.
YABU

Ring a ring a roses is not actually to do with the plague. It is folk lore.

1.the late appearance of the explanation
2.the symptoms described do not fit especially well with the Great Plague
3.the great variety of forms makes it unlikely that the modern form is the most ancient one, and the words on which the interpretation are based are not found in many of the earliest records of the rhyme
4.European and 19th-century versions of the rhyme suggest that this "fall" was not a literal falling down, but a curtsy or other form of bending movement that was common in other dramatic singing games

So what about Little jack Horner - Is that not abuse making him sit int he corner.

Jack Sprat and his wife - Promoting anorexia and obesity?

i've got a version of this song on a childrens CD which uses the word `dinosaur' instead

TooPragmatic "paisley leaf, I dno't know of any First Nations people in Canada who would describe themselves as American Indians".
No, of course not. As they wouldn't describe themselves as Native American - I was responding to the previous post.

Actually the term Indian is preferred by the majority of the native people of the United States. The name being used in North America has nothing to do with people of the subcontinent of India. The term 'Indian' was used in reference to people in North America first.

'American Indian' means an indigenous American.

'Indian American' means an American descended from people of the Indian sub-continent in Asia.

Preferred to 'Native American' I mean. It isn't preferred to their tribal name, but is preferred when talking about all the tribal peoples of the United States.