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to not take DS back to toddler group because of this?

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cupcakesandbunting · 17/05/2010 20:30

I'll probably get recognised from this post. Oh well...

DS goes to a mum and toddler group on a monday morning. It's run by a lady who has a lot to do with the church that the group is attached to, I don't think that she has any formal childcare qualification, she has just been running that group for many years. There is no real structure to the group, you just turn up with LOs and they do their own thing whilst the mums chat and what-not. It's generally a nice little group but two things happened today that really cheesed me off and I don't think I want to go back...

First off... another little boy comes with his grandma (who is good friends with the lady who runs the group) who cares for him whilst his mum is at work. He is a really angry and aggressive child and practically every child at this group has been on the receiving end of one of his outbursts. He screams and lashes out a lot but his grandma is reluctant to discipline him because he's not her child. Today DS and this little boy were playing on some toy cars and both were being a bit rough and bumping into each other but they were both laughing and enjoying it so they got on with it. Then suddenly, this little boy starts screaming and shouting because DS carried on the game. Then this boy's gran came over and told DS off for upsetting him. I was a bit , won't tell your own grandchild off because you're not his parent but you'll tell mine off, but didn't say anything....

Then about twenty minutes later, it got to singing time (the kids sit in a circle and sing a song but some LOs prefer to carry on playing and they are allowed to) but DS wanted to carry on playing on the cars with another boy and another boy was playing with the toys still. DS had been playing on the car for a good few minutes then the woman who runs the group decided to get up, pull DS off the car and tell him to stop playing because everyone else was singing (even though everyone else wasn't singing) DS didn't understand what he'd done wrong because she lets the ones who don't want to sing carry on playing usually,so DS cried and was really upset. I stood up, put DS's coat on and told him we were leaving.

I was really upset that twice my DS got told off when in my opinion he didn't do anything to deserve it And if he did do something wrong, surely they should have told me and let me sort it? The amount of times that that kid has lashed out and DS and I';ve smiled at his gran and said "don't worry about it" because I felt sorry for her, then I feel like the group leader was sharp with DS because I think that this boy's gran probably told her that DS upset her grandchild. I don't want to go back now because I am so about it.

Sorry for the long post but AIBU?

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HousewifeOfOrangeCounty · 18/05/2010 10:51

cupcakes - how do you know that granny doesn't discipline him because she's not his parent? Has she said this to you?

saslou · 18/05/2010 11:09

If this was me I know that I would be antsy at the fact that I hadn't dealt with with this at the time and it would be niggling at me until I did. I understand that you just wanted to get out of there, but I would be inclined to go back and ask to have a quiet word with the organiser. I would say that my child was upset and confused at being pulled off the car, given that usually children are allowed to carry on playing. I would also say that if she wants my dc to do something in the future, to please ask me first and not ever pull my child off a toy again. I would leave the first situation with granny of the other child alone for now. Deal with one thing at a time. If you complain about too much, all at once then you will just be thought of as unreasonable and moany. Next time if someone else tells your dc off then you need to intervene at the time and ask the other parent to address comments to you and if you consider that they have a point then you will address this with your child. I consider it rude to tell someone elses child off, esp if the parent is right there. The most I would do is stop children from doing something where they might get hurt. Sorry, long post. Can you tell I am not a huge fan of toddler groups

randomimposter · 18/05/2010 11:29

Cupcakes I feel your unhappiness...
shall I get Mr Havers to pop round and cheer you up .

On a serious note, I have been taking DS to playgroups only for the last 2 months (he's nearly 2) and am still working out the rules and culture! There is one we go to where some of the parents/carers have a very different approach to mine, and it does make for some eggshell walking... guess it's all a learning process. What you describe does sound unfair. I hate unfairness

MintHumbug · 18/05/2010 11:37

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doireallyhaveto · 18/05/2010 11:53

poor you - seeing my LO upset can leave me feeling furious/tearful - not a great state in which to set things straight! - so I can empathise with you choosing to just leave.

Things is, if you don't go back you'll just feel like you've been forced out, and you'll be re-enacting the scene with added 'esprit d'escalier' rejoinders for the next 6 months! Plus it can be really hard to find nice groups. You'll feel much better for going back and dealing with it, and your LO won't miss out either.

I'd leave granny and her aggressive charge well alone, and simply deal with any future incidents as they happen, with a polite but firm 'that's not nice'.

The group leader though needs a bit of a talking too - I'd be livid if anyone removed my child form a toy in such an arbitrary way. She needs to know that you are not happy about it, but keep it nice and polite - that way you're in charge, and there's no hard feelings.

Good luck!

cupcakesandbunting · 18/05/2010 13:41

Phew,just wanted to respond to a few posts

Housewife, a couple of other mums who know the grandma better than I do told me that she is hesitant to discipline him because of the reason I stated.

Saslou You're so right about feeling shitty for having not said my piece there and then. I'm sooooo terrible at confrontation. I either end up being really passive-aggressive or just plain old aggressive. I can do diplomacy when I've detached myself from a situation but at the time, not so much

Jollster yes please. Send Havers round with a bottle of Pimms. That would cheer me up no end

Thankyou again for the advice, all.

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Megatron · 18/05/2010 14:06

I run our local playgroup and would never behave like this, that's awful! I know all groups are different but my role is to ensure the smooth running of the place, craft activities, cleanliness etc but definitely NOT to discipline the children. Their parents are there, it's not a nursery. I would definitely take your little one back and make it absolutely plain that you're not happy. If he doesn't want to sing, why should he if he's not disrupting everyone else? Stick up for your boy and tell them where to get off.

stealthsquiggle · 18/05/2010 14:13

If you and DS generally enjoy the group, then go back. IIWY I would write today off as everyone having a bad day, but if it happens again I would (a) not hesitate to tell off (in mild, but loud "now we don't do that, do we?" terms) the other boy, and if the leader were to try and intervene on the singing thing again I would leap in and say something along the lines of "I'm sorry - is there a reason why DS can't carry on and play?"

God it's a nightmare. This is the sort of thing which made me take the coward's way out and go back to work

MadamDeathstare · 18/05/2010 14:19

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cupcakesandbunting · 18/05/2010 14:29

*jots shit sandwich technique down in notepad>

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