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AIBU?

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or is my daughter being discriminated against.

51 replies

4kidsandlovingit · 11/05/2010 11:14

I`m so pissed off. (and this is really long)

DD1 (12 in July) is in yr 7 at school. Her school does what they call accelerated reading where each pupil has too read a book (from the school library or home) and then pass a series of questions on said book before moving on to the next.
DD has been a complete pain in the arse when it comes to reading and just about anything I have sugested has been met with its boring, Ive seen the film etc etc. Anyway during Easter holidays I found a book by an author called Kevin Brooks. He writes teen books and there is some swearing etc in them but nothing that I thought was too much for DD to understand or read about. She read this book through in couple of days and raved about it so much she bought herself two more of his books. Full reserch was done and reveiws of books read and Im fully aware of the content etc etc.
Anyway last Tuesday DD1, having completed the 2nd of his books, asks at school if she can do the accelerated reading test on this book. The Librarian tells her no. On Wednesday DD1s english teacher tells her to ask again if she can do the test. Again she is told no it is a yr8 book and she is yr7. DD explains that she has read the book from home to which she was told you shouldnt have read it. I come home from school run to find DD in tears that she is not allowed to do the test because she is in the wrong year group. I then wrote a letter to Librarian explaining my dissapointment that she wont let her take the test even though she has fininshed the book. Yesterday I recieved a reply from Librarian stating that the book has a reading age guide of 14 (i know this), a printed copy of the synopsis of the book (I know what it is about) and stating that she has a responsibility to students and when yr8s wish to read the book she clears it with their parents first (fine by me)and a list of all books DD has taken test on since last September but DD still cannot take the test until September. In my eyes my DD is now being dascriminated against because she is in the wrong year group. Im not asking the Librarian to lend the book to her she has it and has read it. Im well aware of its content and if I wasnt happy with it I would not have allowed DD to read it. But surely having already read the book she should be allowed to be tested on it. FFS she wants to take the test.
On top of all this on the list of books that DD has read since being in year 7 is Captain Underpants which has a guide age of 7+. When I ask DD why she read it she said it was boring but really easy. I ask you is there any hope for a school that will let take a test on a book that is 4 years younger than her age but not 2 years older. How is letting an 11 yr old read Captain underpants going to help her education? So AIBU to think that as DD has put the effort into reading this book she should be allowed to take the test on it or not? Surely if the school has that much of an issue that they have to check with the parents of yr 8s first then they shouldn`t have to book in their Library in the first place. But it is only a guide line not set in stone!!!!!!!!!!

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menopausemad · 11/05/2010 12:15

Whoops. Prefer the former. sorry.

Kathyjelly · 11/05/2010 12:22

And this woman claims to be a librarian! It seems to me she's just a pen pusher who's killing childrens' enthusiasm for reading.

I'd complain to the head teacher.

slowshow · 11/05/2010 12:35

I'm a librarian (albeit one that works at a university, not a school) and she sounds like a right jobsworth. I would be interested to know whether she is acting in line with school policy, or whether she is making that decision by herself. If the former - fair enough. If the latter - shaky ground.

MissAnneElk · 11/05/2010 12:38

If I were you I'd email the English teacher an ask her to speak to the librarian on your DDs behalf.

For those of you who are outraged, the book has been put in an older reader category because of the content, not because of the difficulty of reading it. DD2 goes to a school for YRS 5 to 8. There are some books in the library which cannot be borrowed by YR 5 and 6 pupils because of their content (swearing or sexual references). DD has on occasion said she'd like to read something on this list and I've chosen to either buy it or borrow it from the public library for her, so it is my decision, but I respect the school's decision not to lend it to her.

DD1 is 15 and in year 11. They were doing some work which involved watching some clip from a 15 rated film and writing about it. DD1 is already 15 anyway, but one of the other parents (of a 14 year old) complained to the school and so they have now had to change it to Mary Poppins (slight exaggeration btw, but DD1 is not pleased).

My point is that if the school lent books with swear words, parents would complain.

yellowflowers · 11/05/2010 13:02

You should go and see the head and kick up a stink, and write to local authority too. This happens too much and puts kids off reading for ever.

yellowflowers · 11/05/2010 13:02

Also reading should be for pleasure and not for being tested.

MmeLindt · 11/05/2010 13:09

There was a campaign recently about not age branding books, might be an idea to have a look for some arguments there.

I would not say anything to the Head Teacher about your DD being discriminated against. The Librarian is being unfair, and penalising your DD for reading above the books that the school deem appropriate, but it is not discrimination.

lazarusb · 11/05/2010 16:47

They should be celebrating the fact that she is a mature, adventurous reader- many children don't enjoy reading and I think the fact they have to pass a test on each book would put a lot of children off. I read Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights & Gone with the Wind at the age of 12- didn't do me any harm. Still love books & so do my dcs.(Let her take in a copy of Lady Chatterly!)

sunshinenanny · 11/05/2010 17:22

How sad I feel for children, nowadays As a child I was encouraged to read for the sheer love of it and the school library had few restrictions. I had an advanced reading age, fostered by my parents love of reading. I read all kinds of books including the classics at a very young age and school didn't shove you into pigeon holes.

Continue to encourage your daughter to read books that interest her and challenge the schools stupid ideas.

I'm glad I grew up in a time when there weren't so many control freaks about

onebatmother · 11/05/2010 17:27

She's not being discriminated against really though, is she? It's just a very silly policy. If they will allow children to take out books containing content 'older' than they are, they should logically also allow them to be tested on it.

janeite · 11/05/2010 17:27

Right - this scheme is about quizzing, not testing - so please don't anybody get up in arms about it removing the pleasure from reading. The idea is that it increases pleasure by enabling pupils to show off what they've read and get points and prizes if they read a lot.

As somebody who works in a school (Literacy coordinator) and understands that some parents do get quite stroppy about 'inappropriate content' in books, I do understand where the librarian is coming from, as you do have to be careful, whatever I personally may feel about not giving books age-limits.

However, OP since you are obviously happy with your daughter reading it (and whyever not, if she wants to) then the librarian is being an idiot to insist that daughter can't do the quiz.

janeite · 11/05/2010 17:28

And no - it's not discrimination by any stretch of the imagination: it's just silly.

janeite · 11/05/2010 17:29

Oh and they will have lists of books that do include some very 'young' seeming ones (re: the outrage over Captain Underpants) because for some pupils this willstill provide a real level of challenge to them.

SnowWoman · 11/05/2010 20:15

Agree with janeite - just adds to why I hate accelerated reading.

It is a pain, particularly since you have already made it clear that you are aware of the content and that DD has already read it. In this case I would have let her do the quiz.

I would like to point out that the person may not actually be a librarian, just someone who happens to work in a library - there is a difference. Also, there may be a back story to this with regard to parental complaints in the past, hence the inflexible nature of the book list. But I feel for your DD as I read whatever I wanted at her age, with the occasional caveat from parent, teacher or librarian, but no-one ever actually stopped me reading anything.

Rosieeo · 11/05/2010 20:42

We run Accelerated Reader too. Before the pupils start the program they complete a reading test which calculates the 'level' they should be reading at. Your daughter is reading Captain Underpants because of the results of the initial test.

However, I do agree that your dd should be allowed to do the quiz if you have given permission. The librarian is being a jobsworth, but I think the idea of having a meeting with the head (as I think someone mentioned) is a little OTT! The teacher would be better, although many of our teachers don't know a lot about the program; our librarian is fab and runs the whole shebang.

As Janeite said, for every parent willing to give permission, there's two or three that go nuts if they feel content is inappropriate. I've been told off for 'making' Year 10 students read Of Mice and Men because it contains the word 'bastard'.

SmellsLikeTeenSweat · 11/05/2010 20:45

OP I totally agree with you. It sounds as if common sense has gone out of the window. It's pathetic.

mamas12 · 11/05/2010 23:25

I would go straight to the head too.
Say that you are disapointed in the fact that your dd is discouraged from using the library and that the staff are clearly out of thier depth dealing with a talented reader and wish for a meeting to discuss strategy.

PotPourri · 11/05/2010 23:30

Shocking. You need to talk to the teacher again and explain that you are not happy with the approach and with them holding her back in terms of reading.

FWIW, my eldest is a champion reader and the teacher has put her forward for her first assessment years early. she still has her work with the others in her class so that she has the 'book group' experience, but she also gets challenged to develop to her own potential. I realise she is lucky to have a teacher willing and able to tailor the education beyond a restrictive curriculum - but it CAN be done.

FlookCrow · 11/05/2010 23:56

... I am sure there is another library in the area that will let your daughter take out books that she wants to read. If not, Oxfam and Amazon doing a very reasonable line in used books.

I understand that the school are being dickheads. But perhaps it's best to pick your battles on this one. Write a letter if you want, but the school does not dictate what your daughter can and cannot choose to read.

When it's time for her to take the test, she can take it. No?

Or am I missing something?

NewBirdOnTheBlock · 12/05/2010 10:54

If she said that the guide states it is for 14 year olds, and your dd is too young, why are year 8 allowed to read it? yr 8 are 12 and 13 are they not? I would shove it up her arse sideways.

Downdog · 12/05/2010 11:32

the world has gone mad, MAD I say!

Good for you for finding something she was interested in reading, which in turn has got her back into reading for enjoyment again!

I was a rabid/avid reader when I was young. I read everything I could get my hands on (though Never Captain Underpants)!!! At your daughters age I was given Animal Farm to read which was an amazing experience & introduction into more adult topics.

Yes, I would take this further with the school - the librarian is being a small minded jobsworth implementing a policy that effectivly retards reading.

CagedBird · 12/05/2010 12:18

it isn't discrimination but it is a bloody stupid rule. Can you not actually go in to the school and speak to the head. Tbh you've written a letter to the librarian and she has responded nonsensically. The english teacher seems to be on your side but can't do anything about it so the only way is to go above the librarian.

stleger · 12/05/2010 12:52

I am a qualified librarian, but have always worked in bookselling. I am not a fan of ages on books. If somebody wants a book for, say, a 12 year old girl, I will ask a few questions about her, suggest a few things, and advise a quck check with her parents. A lot of books are given as gifts, and content may be deemed inappropriate by parents. But i would always let parents decide, not me!

PixieOnaLeaf · 15/05/2010 12:29

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RunawayWife · 15/05/2010 12:37

At the age of 11 DS1 had a reading age of 16 and I would have been very pissed off if the school had been trying to hold him back.

I think you need to speak to the school