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Religion and other things I'm slightly mad to bring up here?

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reallytorn · 30/04/2010 23:29

First, I have name changed as this will be some personal info, but am a regular for several years - I do realize what may happen to me posting this in AIBU. I do, however, have an appreciation for the broad range of opinions on this board and that happens to be exactly what I am looking for as both DH and I need some perspective on this.

DS is 2. DH's family is not from here, too elderly to travel here. My only family members are my mother and her mother who are within a few hours travel. My father lives here but we are no contact, thankfully, he is vicious and toxic person it took me a decade to escape.

DH is not religious. He has a bit of disdain for the Catholic church, but that is more related to the horrible things that have taken place than the actual religion itself, iykwim.

I was born and raised Christian (Protestant). I attended a Catholic church for ten years with my ex-h but did not convert. I have not attended any church for many years, though fundamentally I still had considered myself Christian as I believed in the fundamental principles of Christianity.... though at the same time I took courses, etc., on world religions simply out of interest as I feel that religion is a major motivating factor in why certain things happen in the world.

When DH and I were married, I insisted that it NOT be in a church as it was v. important to me that we both believed wholeheartedly in what we were saying. We were married by a non-denominational minister who spoke with DH beforehand and wrote our ceremony for both of our beliefs.

I would say at this point if I had to define my own feelings (ie. explain it to DS) it would be to the effect of - some people believe x, some people believe y, it's ok to believe whatever you feel is right as long as it doesn't hurt others, faith can be a very positive and comforting thing.

DH's only opinion is that he will support whatever I wish in this area.

OK, background done, sorry so long. Anyhow, this past week, my mother has given me a pamphlet from her (Protestant) church on Baptism. No pressure from her at all, just wondering if we'd thought of it. Which we had, but at the time my father was tormenting us and that basically took over our lives, so it sort of passed and has not really come up.

I was baptized, as was DH at birth, though he doesn't even know what denomination (his parents are v. elderly and apparently have no idea?!?!?!)

We agree completely that we intend to raise DS with a respect for all religions and to a limited degree somewhat of an education about what they entail; but at the same time with values that I had always considered to be "Christian" - though now would consider them just to be good values that apply regardless.

SO if you've gotten this far, AIBU to consider baptizing DS? Is there a non-denominational way to do that? Would a church even baptise him without his parents being active attendees? (Note: Have already told one minister that we intend to expose him to many religous institutions and been told how aweful that is?) Or alternatively, AIBU to NOT baptise DS? Is he missing something?

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ScreaminEagle · 30/04/2010 23:42

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Surprise · 30/04/2010 23:44

As an athiest, I'm a bit biased, but I think the sensible option would be not have him baptised and let him make up his own mind when he's older. Lots of people have a "naming party" - like a christening party but without the church bit. Don't let any other family dictate to you - do what you feel is right for you and your children. Hope this is some help

PrammyMammy · 30/04/2010 23:44

I think Y would BU to baptize your DS if you are not practising. He isn't missing out, and he can always be baptized as an adlut if he finds a faith of his own.
I know here a COS chirch will baptize a child in its parish even if its parents dont attend church. I know this after speaking to a COS misister at my Nanas funeral, when i directly asked because they baptized my cousins baby and they have no beliefs.
I am catholic, and i know a a child of non practising parents wouldn't be baptized in my church. Same with the Baptist church. I'm not sure about anywhere else.
It is great you want to bring your child up with an understanding. If you did have your child baptized, have you thought of who would be Godparents? They might be good at exposing him to religion, without the actual name tag iykwim?

JeezyPeeps · 30/04/2010 23:48

YANBU not to baptise your DS. I think it is VERY reasonable to allow individuals to make their own choice when they are old enough to do so.

A naming ceremony might be appropriate though, if you want to have a celebration of some kind. I did neither with my children, and they certainly don't think they have missed out on anything.

outnumbered2to1 · 30/04/2010 23:59

i am a baptised practisng catholic (ducks incomming bombs to don flack jacket and helmet) both my sons were baptised and are being raised in the catholic faith. My best friend who was baptised catholic is married to a non catholic but is also practising has NOT had her two kids baptised as she wants them to decide by themselves if they wish to be catholic or not.

i personally think that if you want them to discover religion / religious beliefs by themselves for themselves then they should also make the decision about baptism. I know a fair few adults who have converted to catholicism and have been baptised later in life.

ravenAK · 01/05/2010 00:12

I think your OP shows open-mindedness & that you're thoughtful about your own spiritual beliefs.

The logical progression from that would be to let ds also think it through for himself. I can see that people who do feel a strong sense of 'belonging' to a particular religion might want to have their dc signed up, as it were.

I'm fairly anti child baptism anyway, but in this case I just can't see a good reason for it - your whole ethos seems to contradict the idea of choosing a denomination for ds & having him dunked!

It might be worth discussing it with your mother, though - as a church-goer she might be able to put the other side of the argument.

reallytorn · 01/05/2010 00:27

That makes total sense of our convoluted situation, and is not at all what I expected...it does actually make quite a lot of sense not to baptise him given what we want for him in terms of exploring and learning about different faiths and ultimately he will make his own choice either way I suppose. I had not even considered that many people choose to be baptised later in life, and I expect DH does not even know that is possible. This will be dinner discussion tonight...

The church I was raised in does not have Godparents when baptising, but that is a key thing we should think about if we were going to do it as I think most do.

Perspectives are so valuable, thank you...

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shockers · 01/05/2010 00:37

Hi reallytorn,
My Mum (from a catholic family but from as far as I can remember, pagan) tried to let me experience as many religions as she could manage.

I settled into a gospel church as a child and loved it, but didn't like the kind of 'counselling' approach they took towards teens. As I've got older, the community side of things has become more important to me and I prefer my parish church.

I decided to be baptised when I was 30. I love the fact that my baptism was my commitment to God.

Strangely enough, DS2's church of preference at the moment is a free church similar to the one I went to at his age. He wants to be baptised because some of his friends are but I would like him to wait until he can really articulate why he wants this for himself.

I think what I'm trying to say is that baptism is so much more special if you decide on it for yourself.

We had a dedication ceremony for ours where we thanked God for them. The personal dedication is theirs to decide.

reallytorn · 01/05/2010 01:37

Shockers, your story is very much what we wish for DS to have. Really interesting point that your baptism was your commitment.

Raven - My mother does not pressure me in any way but does not really discuss these things with me as she is very firm in her beliefs and does not entertain conversation that there IS anything else to discuss. Sort of shuts down a reasonable conversation, iykwim. But your sentence "your whole ethos seems to contradict the idea of choosing a denomination for ds & having him dunked!" is spot on. And well said.

I have sort of been wishing that DH had an opinion one way or the other (though I do appreciate that he is supportive of whatever I want to do). Am thinking of bringing this thread to dinner tonight...

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