To think that eating fish is more cruel than eating meat?

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Given that fish essentially "drown" when caught and slowly die of oxygen starvation, whereas land animals are stunned before being slaughtered so it's all over in seconds?

(Putting aside the farmed fish/battery raised meat side of the debate which IMO is outrageous and obscene).

How would we feel if we all started to drown cows? Is it ok to be a "fish eating veggie" (whatever that means)?

I don't think there is much in it. Having seen a video of an abattoir I thought it was horrific.

You won't put me off eating salmon or haddock even with starting up this thread, sorry.

no it's not ok, to be a fish eating veggie, if you are concerned about animal welfare, and don't wish to eat another creature. You aren't therefore a veggie!!

is it fair to eat fish that have been killed like this if you are a meat eater is the question.

I think the live and welfare of animals count for as much as the way they are killed. I hate to think of the sad miserable life some have had, stretching on and on. Death is a relief for some of them.

When we catch our own trout we bash them over the head with a stick. DCs, particularly young ones, find this worryingly enjoyable

Or chocolate, eh lovechoc - don't get me started on palm oil in chocolate .

I'm not actually trying to stop people eating fish. It was really more of a consideration of the fact that people seem to think fish=good, meat=bad and I don't think that's right.

SOME people. Sorry.

If you think killing fish is less bad than killing mammals and birds then it's OK to be a "fish-eating veggie" (although you wouldn't be a veggie really), as long as you don't eat dairy.

DP won't eat fish as he says thinks eating fish is cruel, having them in the garden pond apparently made him realise how cruel it was. I think he just doesn't like the taste of fish.

I think fish+meat=good and there's nothing going to stop me eating either. I eat a lot of steak, sirloin particularly.

And telling me that chocolate contains palm oil won't stop me eating chocolate either.

fish=good, meat=bad baffles me too a little, but I am more baffled by people who eat neither but will happily gorge on, err, Cheddar. Apparently the production of goats' milk is dodgier still - if you worry about killing mammals that is.

FWIW I eat anything as long as it isn't endangered or factory farmed. or kidney. Because kidney is vile.

ugh kidney!! - DH loves it but the smell of it makes me want to gag!

Whilst palm oil now conjures(sp... what is happening to my spelling today!), up images of orangutang fingers (thanks greenpeace)... I try to buy reasonably sourced stuff or simply remind myself that most of what the western world eats exploits someone, somewhere and we would stave if we ate our own produce (I don't mean literally... ;-) ). BUT this is more a damning inditement of the state of production and so forth in this country... added to it the complexities of NOT importing food and so stealing a form of income from certain countries... actually perhaps starving is a better option!

We keep fish, ornamental types (not edible), but still eat fish.. makes you respect them more and not go OTT on it. Fish are very smart and should be considered in the same way land animals are.