to think the Devil had a bad press?

[Tinnitus]

Seriously, if you remove the presumption that god is good and the devil is bad, then what did the devil do wrong?

All his "crimes" seem to be crimes against god, and if god not assumed to be inherently in the right, then is the devil inherently evil?

I think anyone who assumes a 'good' god is one who asks for a father to murder his own child and is pleased when the father is willing to do so should be sectioned personally!

So yes, i think Lucifer might have been on to something

yeah god seems a bit too judgy for my liking

I have the same feeling about the snake on the graden of Eden, how was knowledge bad?

The devil was originally an angel though, thrown out of heaven for pissing off the almighty, so its all about that.

That bible is like old time eastenders, I tell ya!

I have to say, I have a one way ticket to become Satans new best friend when my time is up.

My bags are packed and ready.

The almighty upstairs (not DH ) is a bit two-faced for my liking.

He does have all the best tunes, apparently. And God wasn't especally nice to Job, was he?

Gosh - ideas like that, Tinnitus, you should write an epic poem

But how can you be satan's best friend? Being evil personified there is no good in the devil, he doesn't have the capability for kindness, friendship or loyalty.

Capp... he's not evil impersonated. He's an angel who was thrown down from heaven for staging an uprising. The rest is spin doctoring done, by those who see it from god's point of view, after the fact.

One thing terrifies me about Eternity, and that's having to spend it in the company of all the Christians I've met

I bet the Horned One is throwing all the best parties.

Perhaps you should ask MNHQ for a Satanist subsection?

pmsl @ "evil impersonated" though. I was trying to be polite in front of my mum before and said "He doesn't know his arse fron the proverbial"

Read "I, Lucifer" Its a story of the devil being on earth he says he was envious of how god loved the humans so he rebelled against this. He also says as UnquietDad mentions that he throws the best partys in hell as "What would upset God more? Souls burning in hell or souls partying and living it up in hell?"

"Perhaps you should ask MNHQ for a Satanist subsection?"

Interestingly Satanists don't believe in Satan. Because that would involve believing in God, when they are essentially Atheists, but Atheists who like winding Christians up (hence the name)

see that's what happens when you try to type a post quickly with dc's whining 'Can we have some juice now? can we have ice lollies now? can you change the channel?' in your ear!

Really, Kaloki? Who are the ones who eat babies and stuff then? Because I'm atheist and didn't realize I was meant to be doing that

Haha, cannibals I imagine?

I'm staying in the "dark side" away from those horrid Catholics that Marjorie tells us about on another thread.

All the bad stuff is done in God's (which one???) name. So i'm firmly in Satan's party land.

Canape anyone?

but wahwahwah wasn't it the devil who was actually doing those things to job?

Neil Gaiman's Lucifer is great

My DH keeps telling me I am going to hell, but that its alright as I wouldn't know anyone in heaven , least I won't be alone then!

Some of the goodies weren't very nice though were they? Where do you think Herod went?
Maybe there is the devil who throws a damn good party, heaven for judgy pants people who are good two shoes (not many then!) and a special place for murders and child molesters and the like.

Perhaps the Devil is just the middle ground, cos I reckon that if there truly is a heaven then hell really will be more run by God who can ensure total torture. Does that make sense?

Doodleydoo I like your theory seems a perfect middle ground to me!

BoF Satanists do just enjoy winding up Christians! They celebrate all that God disallows. One of the best books I ever read was the Satanic witch that basically told you how to use being a woman to your advantage. Femenism at its best really.