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AIBU?

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Original poster

Seriously ill mum to be extradited - where's the email campaign to Home Sec?

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omaoma · 21/04/2010 12:28

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/21/court-extradition-mother-us-abduction

unbelievable waste of time and money and abuse of legal power to continue for the US pursue this case, after all this time. No doubt mistakes have been made on both sides by the parents over the years but my god... not the way to seek redress. I doubt she needs a 'lesson'.

fgs

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saslou · 22/04/2010 12:01

The baby is HERS - it doesn't 'belong' to the country it was born in! IF the father had been the primary carer then I could see a case being made where he could apply for custody when he and the mother split up, but if she was the primary carer then it seems entirely reasonable that she should take her own child back to the UK with her, given that the US would not allow her to remain there. Not all laws are good and this seems to me to be especially stupid.

oricella · 22/04/2010 12:18

Thank goodness for the EU - I would probably have done the same if the British Government told me I couldn't stay here, but also can't take my children with me because I happen not to be married to their dad .. It strikes me that this is where it all went wrong, and what is happening now is a sad playing out of the law against any commone sense

[goes off to check what exactly her rights are in the unlikely event of a break up with DP]

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omaoma · 22/04/2010 12:39

to those want to get all 'letter of the law' on it - what about the father who apparently withheld contact with his daughter's mother for a decade? i believe that would be a crime in this country (not sure about the states) - and lots of women who do this to their ex-partners for what they believe are good reasons, just as this man might have, DO face legal action. my point is - it seems both of them made bad and technically illegal decisions but in the circumstances to pursue an ill woman a decade after her crime seems ridiculous. the only reason this woman committed a crime in the first place is because she was being forced by the state, not her partner, to leave her very young child in a different continent... why the hell can't the US make it easier for her to have a positive relationship with her child? surely that's the most important thing?

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Lilymaid · 22/04/2010 12:43

Here is the judgment of the court on the judicial review of the extradition request.

Downdog · 22/04/2010 12:46

shameful - I would have done the same. Your visa expires so you have to leave the country AND YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!

madness that UK judiciary should not be supporting.

So if a child is born in USA then USA owns the child/has more rights to the child than the mother effectively?

princessparty · 22/04/2010 13:12

What if it were the other way round.What if a fraudster father snatched his baby and took her abroad.I suspect you would all want his balls on a plate?

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omaoma · 22/04/2010 13:18

er NO not if it were 12 years later, his mother had kept him from seeing his child for a decade, they'd since all forgiven each other and he was terminally ill...

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WebDude · 22/04/2010 14:50

There was an interview on Victoria Derbyshire's show this morning with her. Definitely worth listening to for the full story.

(Have not read Guardian piece, so may well cover all aspects. Seems it was a mistake of hers to put father's name on birth certificate, allowing him control which would not have been the case otherwise. Could not be arrested in Scotland, so police took her to London to do it.)

padraig · 22/04/2010 16:16

She comitted a crime, why should she not have to face up to that?

She doesn't sound like she regrets what she did, she even said she'd do it again.

I don't see a problem here. She made her bed now she can bloody lie in it.

bronze · 22/04/2010 16:23

This is stuff that happens in my nightmares.

princessparty · 22/04/2010 18:00

How could they take her to London without arresting her ?

RunawayWife · 22/04/2010 18:18

Waste of money
However she was in the wrong, but to drag her back to the USA now is a total waste of money

abride · 22/04/2010 18:20

And of course the US wouldn't have dreamed of extraditing IRA terrorists facing serious accusations (bombing, murdering, etc) in the UK.

nighbynight · 22/04/2010 18:24

Isn't anyone concerned about the morality of not renewing the visa of a parent who is their child's primary carer, and forcing them to leave their child behind in the states?

WebDude · 22/04/2010 18:27

padraig - she was in custody for months in Holloway

She's currently blind in one eye after a stroke, and bed-bound, unable to fend for herself. I think it she is undergoing enough in her life without being extradited to the USA.

princessparty - best have a listen for yourself - interview here starts ~6 minutes into the show, and I think they get to the bit about London shortly before or after 30 minutes into show.

FranSanDisco · 22/04/2010 18:27

Agree with the 'fucked up' side. How can you expect a woman to just up and leave cos her visa expired (and won't be renewed) and leave her child. Jesus!

RunawayWife · 22/04/2010 19:09

Oh the states wont hand over IRA members no way.
They supported liked terrorist until they got a taste of it.

Wonders off singing oh Danny boy

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