To wish they'd not go into such graphic detail?

[Igglybuff]

I was reading yet another sad story about a poor kid beaten to death here

I felt sick as it outlined the injuries suffered by the little boy. I thought is it really necessary to describe his injuries? Surely reporting that he was beaten is enough?

I know I could decide not to read the story but I want to know that justice is being done.

AIBU to think that journalists writing these pieces should not be so graphic?

i agree with AnyFucker.

i usually avoid reading stuff like this, tbh.

i have a little boy who is nearly 18 months.

he is a lot of hard work. can't imagine hurting him, though (he does that enough on his own being as adveturous as he is!).

There are details and there are details, yes of course, nobody wants to know.

But we must know, we have to care what happened to those children, harsh as that is, the world isn't a nice place.

We should be using the love we feel for our own children to make our feelings clear to those in charge of social services and the criminal justic system so they don't let children who are saddled with parents who abuse them fall through the net.

I said on another thread AF about the poor 8 YO girl who hanged herself that I don't believe in corporal punishment, but I do want to hurt the people who do this kind of thing to children like they've hurt the children. It's the head and the heart isn't it? All very confusing as a parent.

That poor little boy must have died in agony. How could one human do this to another (and such a little one).

What annoys me is that the perpetrators do not get the jail sentence they deserve - life.

"But we must know, we have to care what happened to those children"

Why must we know the details in order to care?

These horrific things REALLY happen to people, so yes, the details are difficult, but it's very easy to become complacent or ignorant to things if there is just a small headline buried within the pages of the newspaper. Look at how much attention we are giving this...would be be having this debate if we didn't have so many of the facts surrounding this case?

I know, ZZ

And I can see where you are coming from

We feel helpless against the fact that there are people out there who are capable of such atrocities

I dunno, I suppose it is as it's always been

History will tell us that < gets all philosophical >

Finding a way to change it is very important

Really, getting down to brass tacks, the children whose parents abuse them in this awful way have nobody. The government doesn't seem to care about them, else they'd have SS down on them like a ton of bricks.

Who else do those little children have but wider society? If mothers on here are saying they don't want to know about the experiences they've had to suffer, the years, months, days, seconds of pain (and I understand it's because it's too distressing) then what hope do they have?

ZZ, actually I think you are slightly missing the point

I do want to know about it, I am not sticking my head in the sand and singing la-la-la

I just don't want to read all the minute details in The Sun newspaper, eg

Perhaps my objections are more to the way it can be reported, sometimes

I'm with agent Zig and Eve on this, there is a need to know.
I can't in all honesty say I read these reports any more since having dd but I used to, not to get kicks or feel superior but to be informed about the realities of life for a sadly large number of children in our society.

'And I can see where you are coming from'

I appreciate you saying that AF, it doesn't happen often on MN that I've seen

You read The Sun??

doesn't happen often ?

by me, or in general ??

seriously though, this is not the thread for bickering or refusing to see another's viewpoint

because that is counterproductive on all levels

We are meant to be sickened,it is sickening.I cant bear it-the idea that children like your dc and my dgc are being subjected to torture and misery throughout their short lives.Some of you cant bear to read it yet those babies had no choice but to endure.Our condemnation of concentration camps was solidified only when the graphic pictures were seen by cinema audiences.To say 'a child was beaten to death' is horrific but the details make it sickening,horrific,indefensible.By being sickened we bear witness for those children.

shit shit shit my bleeding eyes ithought i clicked on another thread

I completely disagree that we have to know what happened in these cases. How does it change anything? The only people who need to know are the people in the courtroom.

pranma you're right that we need to bear witness. I guess I get upset at the level of detail. It outraged me hearing about cases like Baby P - then I was further outraged when the details of what was done to him came out. I worry that being more graphic leads us down a road where society becomes desensitised.

for the record, I do not read The Sun

but an awful lot of people in this country do

Oh, man. Our housesitter left loads of The Sun and The Daily Record and such ilk.

I gave it all to our old next door neighbour to recycle into newspaper bricks to burn in his fire.

i think as distressing as such articles are they should report accurately.but yes as a parent it is harrowing to read

Lol AF, I wasn't really suggesting that anyone who could type in a straight line like yourself read The Sun

Iggly, I will never become desensitised by the details of how children have been killed by anyone, no matter how many children I have to hear about.

Eve I didn;t say I don't donate, I said they don;t have my name.
I have my reasons for not wanting begging letters from abused children through my letterbox but tbh, that is none of your fucking business.

Right, caught up now, I am with AF, I am not sticking my head in the sand, I am not pretending this isn't happening I know it is happening.
I think the problem lies in that knowing a child has been murdered or abused shoudl be enough to provoke outrage. Unfortunately people seem need to know how bad it was and how awful before they feel outraged, which is bullshit.

A child is abused. That's horrible, unforgiveable, I don't need to know more than that to be disgusted. The blame (imo) lies in teh red tops knowing how misery tales and salacious details sells (as spidermama explained, local press are guilty of this as well) and therefore making people think that these cases are the most horrific.

Unfortunately, just because we have heard about a handful of cases that most of us can't even comprehend DOESN'T mean that they are the worst that has happened to a child. We just know about these ones. Worse happens, but only the 'juiciest' stories make the red tops.
This makes me so angry that there are HUNDREDS of children all over the country (world) that similar and worse things are happening to, but we are all so busy obsessing over a few children that they are not being heard.

Sorry, that was a bit stream of consciousness. I hope you see what I mean.

'I am not pretending this isn't happening I know it is happening.'

I'm not being facetious Jack, but how do you know it's happening?

I do, JB

< combs fringe back down >