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To wonder why the whole school has to close on polling days ?

72 replies

Sassybeast · 18/04/2010 15:12

When they only use the assembly hall and that can be accessed by a completely separate side entrance and there is ample parking within very close walking distance. Or why can't polling days also double up as teacher training days ? We had one scheduled for 4th may - that's now been postponed until the end of the month.
Is there a perfectly logical reason that I am missing ?

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ChocolatePants · 18/04/2010 17:29

Agrre with morecrack.

thumbwitch · 18/04/2010 17:31

See here for why Thursdays are used - or more to the point, why Saturdays aren't and can't be.

UnquietDad · 18/04/2010 17:36

It's to do with pupil safety.

You can't just have everyone in the constituency wandering into school.

I'm sure people will love to blame the teachers for it, but if this didn't happen, it would not be long before someone complained to the local paper that their neighbourhood "peado" (sic) had been allowed into the hall.

Tiredmumno1 · 18/04/2010 17:37

Mmm ta thumbwitch thats my idea down the pan

my only other idea is village halls/community centres or portacabins.

Sassybeast · 18/04/2010 17:38

Janeite - it certainly wasn't intended to be a blame teachers thread. I admit that having the inset day cancelled, moved to another day and then having to have an extra day off for the election has caused me a huge headache in terms of the logistics and practicalities of childcare - I don't have the luxury of free childcare or family back up. This month is particularly bad because I don't get bank holidays off. It was a genuine question and to be perfectly honest, I'm still not convinced that given the lay out of our school, a total closure is nessecary but I can understand some of the arguments.

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janeite · 18/04/2010 17:41

The thing is, whether a total closure is necessary for health and safety issues or not (and I suspect that in most cases, it would have to be), the decision to use a school for a polling station would have absolutely nothing to do with individual teachers. I was actually cross with certain posters, rather than the thread itself, so apologies if it came across that I was moaning at you, Sassy.

RustyBear · 18/04/2010 17:42

Our Economics teacher told us that elections were held on Thursdays because Bank Rate used to be set every week on a Thursday, so having the election on a Thursday meant the longest possible time to allow things to settle down before the next week's Bank Rate announcement. Bank Rate is no longer announced on a Thursday, but no-one's ever bothered to change it.

1Littleboy1Bigboy · 18/04/2010 17:54

we still haven't been officially told that the school is closing but as i know a teacher at the school she has given me the "nod" that it is. Luckily i don't work Thursdays but with such short notice i feel sorry for those parents that do

sayithowitis · 18/04/2010 18:10

It is for the returning officer in each are to decide which public buildings will be used as polling stations in that area. The schools, and more particularly, the teachers, have no say in it. In this area we use a mix of schools and other buildings. I think the reason so many schools are used generally, is that they are public buildings which are usually within easy reach of most of the residents of an area.

The scoots are usually closed because: a) There is a security aspect relating to the pupils. The doors to a polling station cannot be locked and therefore the building will be accessible to anyone. Most school buildings, especially if catering for a large number of contituents, will use the hall for polling and this cannot usually be easily sealed off from the rest of the school. b) as somebody else mentioned, there is the security of the ballot box to be considered. A couple of years ago, we had an INSET day on polling day and we used a completely different part of the school to that which was being used for polling. The polling officer complained to the returning officer because they are supposed to have exclusive use of the building and the headteacher received a telling off and instructions that under no circumstance were the staff to be in school on days when the school was fulfilling its obligation to act as a polling station.

It is not always possible to re-arrange INSET days at short notice, Good speakers are usually booked well in advance and are not usually able to switch to a different date to suit a school.

I am sure that most teachers are not especially aware of all the reasons why their schools close. They are just told that it will.

I am always amazed at how so many people on here seem to regard schools as babysitters for their children! (Mind, at an average of £5 per hour per child, maybe teachers should consider charging childminder rates. They would earn an awful lot more than they do at the moment. )

ILovePlayingDarts · 18/04/2010 19:35

In our area the schools being used as polling stations are open, including my dcs school. However, the assembly hall is being used, and I think they can block access from the hall into the rest of the school, where all the gates, etc will be locked.

Pozzled · 18/04/2010 20:59

I agree with those that say we should use more community centres etc and less schools.

I teach Mon-Wed so it doesn't affect me all that much this year. But I bloody well wish the school wasn't closed. A week where the kids are only in Tue, Wed and Fri is an absolute pain to plan for and teach.

When our school is used for polling, we are not allowed in the building. In the past this has also really annoyed me, as it meant that I couldn't go into my classroom and get jobs done, I had to take all books home to be marked etc.

Those that have commented on teachers having a lovely day off- nearly all schools send out reports in the summer term, believe me one day doesn't even come close to the extra hours that we work to get the reports written.

Oh and I have thoroughly enjoyed my Easter holidays thank you, and may have updated my facebook status occasionally. But for my 5 days off (not counting the bank holiday) I spent 2 in my classroom and at least the equivalent of another day working at home.

(Sorry, turned into a bit of a rant there.)

thumbwitch · 19/04/2010 01:38

I suppose it is easier to close the schools than a community centre, which presumably has access to all comers throughout the day.

Am surprised that IloveplayingDarts' schools are open because of the reasons listed above, but I suppose it is down to each local authority how they manage the situation. So long as electoral protocol is not breached, then it's up to them.

tassisssss · 19/04/2010 15:53

I don't understand why they use our school when the church is right next door and used for heaps of community events...

Like you HA we're closed for Monday, extra in-service on the Tues and then closed Thurs for election. I'm more cross that we didn't have more notice as we could've booked a week hols and only taken them out of school for 2 days...would've been a whole lot cheaper than our week in July!

porcamiseria · 19/04/2010 15:55

paedophiles vote too?

YesYouMust · 19/04/2010 16:08

How about the people who want to knowthe ins and outs ask their council? Why ask a teacher who has no more choice than i do.

leaveusalone · 19/04/2010 17:04

foureleven
Teachers not want to answer to yet another question about something they have NO control over?
Goodness me how shocking of them.
You try listening to parents ask you day in day out random questions that you have no hope in answering, because they are about things you have no control over!
And then, when you politely point them in the direction of someone who might be able to answer them, you are told you are just refusing to give a straight answer.

Ripeberry · 19/04/2010 17:14

Our primary school is being used and they will be keeping the main gate shut, opening the door to the hall and keeping all other exits shut.
This is because the pre-school that uses the same site within the playground of the school will be open as normal, so will the after-school club.

foureleven · 20/04/2010 17:59

Oh leave us alone, if my office was closed for the day all of my clients would ask me why, and I would expect them to. None of them would care that it was probably out of my hands.

I know teachers have it tough, but it does often feel like another world when youre dealing with schools; rude receptionists on high horses when your child is late, telling parents with 2 days notice to dress their children in some kind of elaborate fancy dress, arranging PTA meetings at 5pm..?

I feel often that schools mentality hasnt changed much since the days when one parent was at home all day.

I feel for teachers, christ knows I wouldnt do it!! But they are providing a service to the public after all.

Wheelybug · 20/04/2010 18:06

our whole primary is closed and they only use the juniors as a polling station which is 3 roads away from the infants. Don't quite understand that one !

skidoodly · 20/04/2010 19:23

foureleven you have spent this entire thread insinuating that teachers are lazy shirkers, that their job is to babysit whatever children happen to be nearby, and that they are refusing to do the latest duty you have assigned them of explaining electoral process to the general public.

Then you claim they are defensive for not just lying down and taking it.

THEN you want us to accept that you "feel for teachers"?

Give everyone a break and see someone about that chip on your shoulder. Aren't you embarrassed that you fell straight into twinset's (rather obvious, but very amusing) trap?

foureleven · 20/04/2010 19:28

Nope, I thought - great someones as wound up about it as me!

I guess we all just have different issues hey.

ps love that everytime I have a contraversial opinion I am told I have a chip on my shoulder.. What is the definition of that?

cazzybabs · 23/04/2010 12:26

Oh and by the way a lot of schools have teachers going in - so they don't have a day off as such

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