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to wonder why these parents did this?

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mummycake · 15/04/2010 10:25

I have recently heard about a case in America where a lady who had adopted a child from Russia sent him back due to her not being able to cope with his special needs and behavioural issues and the fact that apparently she was misinformed about his issues.
This has led me to think of a child who was once at a special school I worked at who was adopted at the age of 9 weeks and brought up by two loving parents.
At the age of 5/6 he displayed quite severe behavioural problems and due to the parents inability to cope they ended the adoption and put him back into care.
I often wonder what happened to the little lad and although I was not in their position and have friends who have adopted children who were later found to have behavioural issues and the whirlwind of emotions that they have gone through I often wonder if they would have put him up for care if he was their biological child.
I appreciate this is a controversial subject and I dont wont to be personally insulted as I am not doing this to cause controversy but would just like to share this story. I am sympathic to people who adopt children and obviously the children themselves as I do have some personal experience of it.
Do you think the parents needed a lot more support? Do you think on the limited amount of information givn here that they acted in their or the child's best interests?
Plese be kind to me

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LittleMrsHappy · 15/04/2010 10:30

The parents needed shot, and I hope the courts do find them guilty with neglect of THEIR CHILD!

Parenthood is tough, but Ive only a little bit of the story to go by, all I know (someone please correct me further) is that they couldn't handle him, put him on a plane with a note, saying no longer wanted

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StealthPolarBear · 15/04/2010 10:31

i have no idea. same as putting your biological dcs into care if you can't cope, surely?

EveWasFramed · 15/04/2010 10:33

I read it, too, and I was so sad for that child! I think people have unrealistic expectations when they adopt...they think because they are 'choosing' their child, with lots of love, the child will be 'okay', when really, I think parents who adopt should probably receive some kind of support/counselling not only before the adoption, but during as well. I don't think a parent would do this to a biological child...I wonder if maybe an adopted child feels more 'optional' for some folks? I know that's certainly not the case for all adoptive parents, but maybe some never really properly attach. Don't know...would like to hear some other reactions, or from some adoptive parents.

saslou · 15/04/2010 10:37

If someone adopts a child then it is THEIR child, same as if they'd given birth to it imo and I can't understand why they would feel otherwise esp if they'd had that child since it was a baby.
To put a child on a plane with a note is absoulutely disgusting behaviour. Think everyone involved in that adoption should be looked at very closely because this woman clearly should not have been given approval to adopt. I don't see how a person can get that far into the process and not know about a childs special needs.
Some people are just crap parents and would probably be equally crap with their biological children. The difference with adopted children is that they think they have the option of returning the child to the care system. Horrible people

RockSteady · 15/04/2010 10:37

sounds like they acted in their best interests , i can't imagine how awful that must have been for the poor little boy. The only prents he knew didn't want him so just haded him back, i'm so surprised they were just allowed to do this. do you know if they were given any help?

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AitchTwoZone · 15/04/2010 10:45

this happened to my aunt. she fostered a wee boy at about seven for two years, very much with a view to adopting him. but he just couldn't settle in the family, made everyone's life hell, couldn't be reached through his mahoosive attachment disorder and they didn't proceed with adoption and gave up fostering. it nearly killed my aunt, no kidding. so i'm not too quick to judge tbh.

mummycake · 15/04/2010 10:47

I beleived that they received counselling but decided it was '' best for the child'' if he was parented by others. Apparently once the child was in the process of being sent back into care and was with foster parents. His mum and dad would visit him often and try to control the care he was given. This was eventually stopped as it became too distressig for the little lad! The school tried to offer all the support thay could too.

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mummycake · 15/04/2010 10:51

I am not judging honestly but just wanted to state the facts that I know to be true. And to see if people who adopt are left to get on with it without the support they truly need to make it work!

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RockSteady · 15/04/2010 11:07

in the case on the 9 week old I just can't get my head around how they could just send him back.They had him practically from birth, if it was an older child who hadn't been with them for so long I could possible understand that they may find it too hard and stop the adoption process. But to return your child of 5/6 years who has never known other parents makes me feel sick

AitchTwoZone · 15/04/2010 11:10

i suppose i think it must be torture every day to parent a child who manipulates and kinda hates you. i think it's really complicated, and if it seems an unthinkable thing to do, it probably was unthinkable for them too, until they realised that they had no alternative iykwim?

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AitchTwoZone · 15/04/2010 11:17

you wouldn't, mary, and i respect and admire that. but i wouldn't despair of people who might put their child into care, if they felt it was a fight for their own survival.

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runnybottom · 15/04/2010 12:36

Sometimes being the best parent you can is not being the parent. you could say that if you know you can't give a child what they need its better to have someone else do it.
I can't imagine ever doing it myself, but if I truly thought my child would be better off without me I would give them up. Sometimes its the best decision for them, not selfishness on the part of the parent.

5Foot5 · 15/04/2010 13:19

Well in general I do think it rather "off" that someone would adopt a child and then send them back when it doesn't work out. Especially if they have had that child since it was a baby - that is really awful.

But I seem to remember reading in the paper about the Russian boy and IIRC he did have very severe behavioural problems that the adoptive family claim they were not made aware of. (Not sure but I think he tried to burn their house down)

It sounds tough but if the authorities really did cover up the extent of his problems in order to get rid of him him adopted then I have to say I have some sympathy with the parents.

I once read an article where parents in this country were upset that social services had not bee fully open with them about the background of a child they had adopted or fostered and this child went on to sexually abuse one of the adoptive parents own children. SS had enough information to know this was a risk and had not passed it on.

Silver1 · 15/04/2010 14:52

I would love to have a lot of sympathy for this woman because I have seen and been told how hard it can be to parent a child with these difficulties, but I can't, she was at the very best naieve and stupid, but her actions in the end were unspeakably cruel.
I certainly can understand what she means when she says he was violent aggressive, we know adopters whose child has a similar background, and similar behaviours-
But the mother in the press adopted him,she signed up to an Agency, paid a fee, bought a ticket to Russia and picked him. A six year old boy, abused neglected and then removed to a Russian children's institute, with no therapy support and no key figure to attach to. Russians don't label or diagnose conditions, what is the point they can't treat them, they lack the resources and if they don't know they can't tell.
Legally he is her child, and morally he is her child. Adopting can be tough, sometimes the way to access appropriate care for your child in this country can only be done by returning them to care (where suddenly there is a budget for therapies) then you can parent from a distance, you can parent through an institution, you can do so many things when your child becomes violent or disturbed, what you cannot do is put them on a plane to Russia-do you know how long that flight must have been for the sad and lonely little boy.

The adopter was a nurse, she had a medical background she would have been acutely aware of the effects of drugs and alcohol on a developing baby, she could so easily have found out about Attachment Theory and Reactive Attachment disorders, Disorganized Attachment, she could have looked at how the brain develops and grows in the first two years of life, how this is impacted when a child is neglected, starved beaten etc.
She should have known what she was signing up to when she became that little boy's mummy. Unlike the parents whose birth children are born disabled, she had the opportunity to expect problems in his life and "stubborn" should have had her asking more questions.
Holly van Gulden is a specialist who works with adopters of traumatised children and she adopted a child who was dumped at the airport by his new adoptive family - apparently they were prosecuted for abandonment. I think this American adopter will find herself legally in a lot of trouble in the USA.
The Russians have now suspended adoptions of Russian children to American families. Sadly this case was the final straw not an isolated incident.

His little face in the picture as he is taken into care breaks my heart every time I see it.

Acanthus · 15/04/2010 15:02

Link, anyone?

porcamiseria · 15/04/2010 15:02

i have read more and more stories of this ilk recently, so so sad.

I do think that people who already have kids should be scrutinised very strongly, as if the family does not gel its the adopted one they send back...

navelgazer · 15/04/2010 15:41

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/adopted-boy-threatened-to-burn-familys-house-down-1941429. html

wannaBe · 15/04/2010 16:30

on the one hand, it is very hard not to judge anyone who gives up a child, be that adopted or biological, because they find it too difficult to cope.

But on the other I think that there is often a very romanticised view of adoption in terms of it being seen as chance for people to have a much longed-for child, and the expectation that adoption will complete a family. Obviously adoptive parents are given more information than that throughout the process, but the outside view is often portrayed as one of happy family bliss, where a parent picks up their adopted child and they all go home to live happily ever after. There's a programme on discovery home and health that portrays adoption in just such a way, where americans go through an adoption and fly to all corners of the globe to fetch the child of their dreams and bring them home, often the children being five/six years old and the language barrier being immense, and yet the way in which the series is shown could easily make people believe that adoption is a fabulous process that leads to a perfect happy ending.

But in actual fact the reality is far different, and the fact that such a large number of adoptions fail (iirc the figure is over 50%?) is clear evidence that adoption is anything but a happy ever after in a lot of cases.

There is absolutely no justification for putting a six year old on a plane and sending him back to Russia alone, none. But I can see how someone who is desparate to be a parent could be blind to the problems that adoption might bring, and could believe that the love they have to give could conquer all, and then find themselves in a situation where it is nothing like they'd thought, much as anyone does when they are a first-time parent. The only difference is that if the child is adopted you essentially have the option to change your mind.

FlookCrow · 15/04/2010 16:39

As I read the article, it stated that the parent had been deceived as to the mental wellbeing and emotional state of the child. She was not qualified to deal with his needs, and had been effectively lied to. I cannot say what I would do in her situation but it must have been nightmarish and her decision could not have been lightly made.

Sadly this happens all the time in the Eastern European orphanages, often with children who are HIV positive. I can understand the desperation to get the children into a family.. but there must have been another way.

mathanxiety · 15/04/2010 16:44

Another MN thread about the Russian boy with lots of links.

Even the adoption agency that facilitated the adoption are saying the adopting mother had access to all pertinent information about the child. I think this was one of those people who say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.... I know better than the experts, and all it will take is Me And My Specialness and the child will be fine (I'm a nurse after all)"

Kewcumber · 15/04/2010 16:56

lots of people who adopt an older child think love will be enough and it often isn't. Some people are spectactularly uninformed about the issues that can arise in institutionalised or neglected or abused children (though hopefully not in the UK) and I wouldn;t be at all surprised if a nurse wasn;t aware of them - it isn't the kind of thing you necessarily come across often. I've not yet met a GP that has any knowledge of the issues that adoption can bring for a child, though the better ones can make an eucated guess.

As for giving childrne up - birth parents give children up or have them removed becasue (for some reason) they can't cope at the time, how do you think childrne become available for adoption?

In addition in the early months of the adoption you really aren't necessarily very well bonded to "your" child and if their behaviour is challenging it must be very hard to deal with it especially if it threatens (or you feel it threatens) your existing child. There is a very good reason why in the UK you are expected to adopt children AT LEAST 2-3 years younger than any existing children - because they find it much easier to deal with agressive or threatening behaviour of a child much smaller than them.

Of this isn;t a rationalisation for this specific woman's actions, I find it hard to accept there wasn't some other less extreme way to help him.

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