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to be sick of recycling?

180 replies

Umleila · 04/04/2010 21:32

It seems to me recycyling actually means more unpaid work for mothers. I'm sick of washing and crushing cans, folding cardboard, swilling out bottles and then staggering out with the box and bags for collection. Why won't governments just force companies to use less packaging in the first place? As it is we mums are just expected to clear up capitalism's rubbish.

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ABetaDad · 04/04/2010 22:58

...and everyone puts a value on their leisure time so time spent recycling has an implied cost. No matter who they are. Local authorities impose penalties on us to force us to give our time for free.

The only way the economics of recycling stack up is forcing houseolders to do the initial sorting for free and shipping a lot of it to China.

It really is a complete load of tosh, waste of economic resourses, often unethical and at best is empty gesture politics.

Ponders · 04/04/2010 22:59

this article is 18 months old but says that shipping stuff to the East makes economic sense

boiledeggandsoldiers · 04/04/2010 23:00

Abetadad, is what you said earlier really true?

"I heard a lot of local authorities are storing recycling until the new financial year just so they can get their bonus (or avoid penalty) from Govt. They then will just dump it in a landfill."

Just lately we have noticed that all our carefully washed and separated recycling is collected and thrown all together into one crusher. DH said it was because they were just going to dump it in landfill, but I told him he was too cynical. I'm thinking after reading your comment that he might have been right after all.

Sorry for the hijack...
The OP has a point - why can't manufacturers be forced to use less packaging? Recycling is only part of the solution.

Ponders · 04/04/2010 23:01

"everyone puts a value on their leisure time so time spent recycling has an implied cost"

I spend far longer piddling about on MN than I ever do rinsing out a few bottles

Valpollicella · 04/04/2010 23:02

Just how much of your leisure time is consumed with rinsing tins/chucking paper into one bag/taking the glass out ABD?

Doesn't impinge on me at all!

Are they asking you to go down to the paper plant and mush old paper into new with your feet?

Can't see other wise how it affects your time sooo badly!

Break it down for me?

Ponders · 04/04/2010 23:06

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Valpollicella · 04/04/2010 23:14

Ponders my time is divided about thus:

100MN > 10 recycling

seeyoukay · 04/04/2010 23:20

Sorry but the OP is wrong. As you put it you "mums" have to clear up this rubbish then companies will only start using less packaging when you "mums" don't make purchasing decisions based on how something looks and expect to get it in a plain cardboard box.

notcitrus · 04/04/2010 23:21

hi again - boiledegg, I'm pretty sure that councils aren't storing recycling to later dump it in landfill, because a) they've got nowhere to store it, and b) the landfill people won't let loads in without it being weighed and paid for, as opposed to the council getting paid when it's weighed then delivered to a sorting facility.

Do you mean all your recyclables are collected together and mixed up? That's pretty common, because there's now lots of Material Reclamation Facilities (MRFs) where recycling is automatically separated, and not having to get householders to do it usually means they put out more recycling and complain less. They should have told you if they've gone from a system where your stuff needed to be separate (used to get more money for separates, but now we have more MRFs and don't need to export recyclate it makes less difference), but I can well believe the council didn't...

There are schemes where people put recyclate in a 'survival bag' and it gets collected into the same truck as wheeliebin waste and crushed, and separated later, but I think they've discontinued them because people refused to believe the recycling was recycled. Could be some left in the UK.

Last year was the first since the 1970s for the amount of household waste generated to go down (had been rising at 3% a year in the late 90s!) Sadly I suspect this is more to do with recession than less packaging and waste.

abetadad's maths sounds right - google SELCHP for info on how it's finally working in Dartford.

Ponders · 04/04/2010 23:33

the public at large need more educating about recycling then, notcitrus - who's going to do that?

boiledeggandsoldiers · 04/04/2010 23:36

Thanks notcitrus, think I need to call the council to find out what they're up to - I hope you're right but it would have been nice of them to tell us not to bother sorting the waste. At the moment, everyone separates out all the different wastes into different coloured bags, which then get thrown into the same crusher when collected.

seeyoukay, the only choice of packaging in supermarkets seems to be a) overpackaged or b) ludicrously overpackaged. If I want to avoid packaging I can use independent local shops but not everyone has them on their doorstep.

paisleyleaf · 04/04/2010 23:37

Our council are storing at on military land.

alypaly · 04/04/2010 23:44

i find it a challenge to fill my bins each week and go mad at my DS's when thay forget. After all its going to be their world that suffers.I give myself a pat on the back when the paper,bottle and green rubbish bins are full.

wastingaway · 04/04/2010 23:50

Terrible isn't it. As if we haven't enough to do, what with all the hand-washing, grate-blacking and rug-beating we mothers have to do.

Oh no that's right, housework is a piece of piss these days compared to what even our mothers had to deal with.

How dare the councils try and encourage us to deal with the consequences of our own consumerism?!

Jesus, take some responsibility.

claig · 04/04/2010 23:52

www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenerliving/3502220/Green-scheme-scrapped-as-household-recycling-is-sent -to-landfill.html

Ponders · 04/04/2010 23:54

That was Nov 08, claig - is it still true?

claig · 04/04/2010 23:56

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1131242/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Have-BIN-conned-Recyclings-new-state-relig ion-exposed-sham.html

claig · 04/04/2010 23:57

yes it's getting worse due to the financial crash. There is no market for these low value recycled goods.

claig · 05/04/2010 00:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1104741/Recycling-crisis-Taxpayers-foot-UKs-growing-waste-paper-mou ntain-market-collapses.html

Ponders · 05/04/2010 00:08

well those are both a) daily mail & b) Jan 2009 - more recent reports, from more reputable sources, would be good

claig · 05/04/2010 00:14

Ponders, the Mail will tell you the truth the others are in on it, they hide the truth from you

Ponders · 05/04/2010 00:22

oh yes, the Daily Mail kind of truth - like this you mean?

claig · 05/04/2010 00:24

this is what it is really all about.
news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Private-Rubbish-Collection-Firms-Cleaning-Up/Article/200803413103 31?lpos=BusinessArticleRelatedContentRegion5&lid=ARTICLE1310331PrivateRubbishCollectionFir msCleaningUp
Private firms stand to clean up as they fleece the public. The current service will get worse and worse and you will be fined if you put the wrong item in the wrong bin. Rubbish collection will be privatised and you will end up having to pay through the nose for it, but none of your existing taxes will be reduced.

Ponders · 05/04/2010 00:26

That one's dated March 2008...

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