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Original poster

to think that 121 tuition in school time is a bit off?

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porkypoo · 01/04/2010 13:43

A teacher at our school is giving one to one tuition to a teaching assistants child, during lunch break and after school. I paid for my daughter to have private tuition and feel this is really off. Should it not have to be offered to all children?

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Feenie · 01/04/2010 18:28

Because it is specifically for children who are identified as just falling behind.

janeite · 01/04/2010 18:28

The 1 to 1 scheme has v specific criteria for allocating children to it, I think.

MrsC2010 · 01/04/2010 18:35

As I mentioned, it doesn't even have to be the 121 scheme, it could be school based intervention. We run these for all sorts of ages and abilities, based on no criteria other than our discretion and knowledge of the pupils to determine who needs a boost. By that I mean, those who NEED a boost for whatever reason as against having parents who want them to have a boost. It might be that they are middle of the range and miss out on attention in class so they need a little more attention, or be at the top of their level but struggling to break through into the one above, or the typical case of the struggling student at the bottom of the group who needs to catch up. These are taught by the normal teachers and sometimes in class, but normally fitted around them...lunchtimes and after school for example.

RollOnTheHols · 01/04/2010 18:36

if you don't mind me asking porkypoo, why did you need to send your child to private tuition?

clam · 01/04/2010 18:46

It's not preferential treatment if it's 1:1. It is specifically targetted at children whose levels and attainment dictate that they are eligible. If this is the case at your school, then it's nothing to do with the fact that it's the TA's child.

memoo · 01/04/2010 18:47

How do you kow all this anyway? kind of assuming that you're not at your DD's school all day to see it with your own eyes

southeastastra · 01/04/2010 18:49

why is it preferential? i would be so happy if my son didn't need additional help

RollOnTheHols · 01/04/2010 18:53

but if what if porkypoo's child has a need that has not been addressed properly by the school?

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porkypoo · 01/04/2010 19:04

My DD fell behind as a result of a teacher that left part way through a school year and had a fair amount of disruption. I took this upon myself to get help for her. Privately. It was not mentioned when I discussed it with the head and class teacher, that any sessions were available within the school. When did this new initiative start?

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Feenie · 01/04/2010 19:04

Then that is a different issue to the one raised by the op.

1 to 1 tuition has limited funding - our school has 6 places. It's up to the school to target the children who are most in need. The op cannot possibly know the precise educational needs of the TA's dc.

clam · 01/04/2010 19:06

Still doesn't mean that she would necessarily qualify for 1:1.
And how can such tuition be offered to all? Wholly unworkable.

EvilTwins · 01/04/2010 19:14

I tutor on the 121 intiative. I do it at the school I work part time in. I see 6 students altogether - 3 every other Thursday. I get paid £25 per hour for it. I teach on Tuesdays and Fridays, on a part time contract, and do this on a Thursday - it's dealt with separately - I have to fill in a time sheet, and the money comes from some other pot than the usual salary one. The other tutor is a retired teacher who was recommended by the LEA. Students are seen during school hours because the majority of them are bussed in (rural school) and so we couldn't do it for so many before and after school.

OP, you come across as vindictive and petty. Why shouldn't a DC other than your own get extra attention if its needed? If your DC was identified as eligible for this scheme (and the criteria is very specific), would you turn it down on the grounds that it's not fair on the other children?

clam · 01/04/2010 19:18

If the head "did not mention that there were sessions available within the school," then that means that there aren't. Some children will qualify for the scheme, (which was piloted last year and rolled out nationwide this) but it's only a tiny percentage. I should be glad, if I were you, that your child is not eligible.

EvilTwins · 01/04/2010 19:23

This scheme is not one that you can nominate your DC for or ask for them to be involved with. It really is that focussed.

brassband · 01/04/2010 19:28

Rustybear-A teacgher is paid by the LEA to educate the children in her class.If she is allowed to make money by tutoring those same children out of school.She has a direct incentive to do her 'day' job less well.

brassband · 01/04/2010 19:29

Also how ca she be expected to be objective in the classroom when some children are paying her, and others aren't

EvilTwins · 01/04/2010 19:34

brassband - you clearly have a very low opinion of teachers.

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porkypoo · 01/04/2010 19:36

Eviltwins, I did not know about about this new initiative until today. Of course I would not turn it down if it was offered. Nor would I expect any other parent to (including a teaching assistant) However, if someone is considering letting a child sit the 11+ exam, you can only assume that they are bright...I don't know if the 121 scheme has criteria that fits with this does it?

Thanks Clam for clarifying.

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crocdundee · 01/04/2010 19:37

brassband - if the teacher does her day job less well, she will not pass her performance management, may be put onto capability and lose this day job.
Hardly an incentive to fail the children in her care in the hopes of earning a very small amount of extra money.

janeite · 01/04/2010 19:41

BrassBand - you have completely misunderstood this. A teacher employed full time by a school or LA cannot then charge extra wo tutor pupils privately at break, lunch times, whenever. If the teacher is doing one to one sessions it will be organised through the school and will not be for any extra pay.

The circumstances described by Evil Twins are different in that the school employs her to work beyond her previous hours to do the one to one: she is employed by the school not by parents.

clam · 01/04/2010 19:41

I ought to add, however, that I would not consider tutoring (for money) any child who attended the school I teach at, and certainly not on the premises during the school day. (If that is what is happening here.) And if it was as a favour to a colleague on the staff as a "freebie," I would ensure it was done off-site.

Otherwise it just gives rise to speculation and allegations of favouritism/unprofessionalism such as this.

RustyBear · 01/04/2010 19:42

brassband - do you seriously think a teacher would harm their career by failing the children in their class just so they could earn money tutoring them?
And she can be expected to be objective in the classroom because that's what teachers do.

Presumably parents like you are the reason shockers' school keeps their sessions secret....

janeite · 01/04/2010 19:43

Should say 'to' not 'wo' - don't know what happened there!

popsycal · 01/04/2010 19:45

there is a givernment scheme funding this

teachers are not paid duringlunch hour

Feenie · 01/04/2010 19:46

Janeite, the teacher will receive extra pay - £25 per hour. After tax, it is considerably less, though.

I do one to one tuition with 2 children in my class, and have the advantage that I know exactly where they are starting from, and where they need to go next, and don't need any of the getting to know a child time that a tutor might need. The ten hours allocated to each of these children ensures that I may do this as effectively as possible.

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