To wonder why there are always more disabled spaces than mother&baby spaces in car parks?

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In places like Waitrose, John Lewis, etc. Surely there are more mothers with little children out there than disabled people?

I totally agree with lampost... create more m and c spaces at the back of the car park.

Travel systems?
They are little cages on wheels, come with airbags and stranger danger alert and full viral filter. Plus online educational feed, so the infant can learn Mandarin and calculus whilst they dribble.
You can buy interlocking ones for multiple pregnancy or adoption outcomes, although there is a risk of ending up looking like a roadtrain.

It is not to get 'a travel system out of the car' it is to get two wriggly one year olds.... oooh this place is soooo lovely sometimes...

Boff and Kaz speak sense.

Getting tiny children out of car seats when some WNKER has given you two inches of space to do so and haul a pram over the top of the car is a bluddy nightmare.

I recently had to park the car in an overflow section of a multi-story next to some arse who had gone in sideways so I had two inches to get the baby out. The car was on a slope which really came into its element when I returned with a loaded trolley a baby and a toddler. The supermarket trolley had no brake and kept rolling away into the path of oncoming cars every time I let go to try and get one of the children out. Meanwhile on the floor below there was a whole row of disabled places unused.

I am not saying there shouldn't be disabled places, but there should be more family places. And stricter penalties for people using family places without small chilren.

Isn't the point of parent and child spaces, to keep little ones a bit safer?? A good thing I would have thought?

"Babies are effectively disabled."

wtf
I have read some stupid statements on mn in my time, but that has to be the worse I have seen.

no babies are not disabled unless they have a disabilitie.
bloody hell. are people that stupid really

I believe there are no penalities for incorrectly using a parent and child place. THey are there as a marketing tool. Gawd knows why people get so precious about them. I am at the comments that people with disabilities shouldnt park in them. So fucking what?

The sense of entitlement just because you've had a child is mind boggling.

the problem is trying to get the car seat out of the car to fit onto the pushchair when someone has parked right up against you.
I seriously have had to tip our car seat practically upside down to get DC's out in a normal parking space.

2shoes - I dont think they are stupid just ignorant of what "disabled" actually means. As if having kids actually puts you in the same category......

...and I have a child with a disability so am V sensitive to disability rights.

glad to be of service 2 shoes

surprisenumber - that isnt actually the same as being disabled.......

lordy

no, I agree rainbow, but I have a good insight into it.

People actually used to manage before these came along. I also believe that sometimes people actually on occasion will park in a car park with children in a non parent adn child space and actually get in and out of the car...

So do I

How about a campaign to limit the use of P & C places to those with children under 4?
And to give trollies a brake. I use a heavy bit of shopping to stop it rolling if I need to.

Yes, people manage, of course they do, and I wouldn't use them with older children, but they do make things sooo much easier. There just aren't enough!

having a child with a disability may not be the same as being disbled, but as thier care you have to get them in and out of the car/wav
I can assure you it is a lot harder that a toddler or a baby

Oh I give up,
these threads just go round and round, the more you give the more people want.

"Babies are effectively disabled."

seriously what are you takling aout, are you on this planet?
my 18mo IS disabled but wont qualify for a badge until he's 2 this doesn't mean he will be more disabled, just the way it works.
please enlighten me how babies are effectively disabled?

Sometimes P&T spaces are closer to the doors...what's that all about?! On occassions like that when my mother has been feeling it a bit we will/have parked in the P&T spaces instead of the disabled ones. And I don't feel bad about it at all!

'People actually used to manage before these came along. I also believe that sometimes people actually on occasion will park in a car park with children in a non parent adn child space and actually get in and out of the car'

But that was long, long ago.
We Early Mother types, back in the hunter-gatherer era, had to walk, train our children in the dangers of traffic and pedestrians and what to do if a sabretooth spotted you. That's not how it is done nowadays.

I read the OP as:
'Why don't supermarkets provide more P&C spaces' which is a perfectly valid question.

I like P&C spaces when I have a baby because I can't get the doors open wide enough to physically get a baby seat back into the car once someone has parked next to me, leaving a 2 inch space.

It's a valid point that some supermarkets hardly provide any spaces for this.
But then I also don't think there is a need for older children - surely it's to do with prams and car seats ??

I don't personally think the OP is saying anything about disabled spaces.
Clearly these are far more important than P&C spaces which are nice, but not essential.

Sasamaxx, "Surely there are more mothers with little children out there than disabled people?"

I think that the above bit, teamed with the title:

"To wonder why there are always more disabled spaces than mother&baby spaces in car parks?"

gave people the impression that the OP thought that there ought to be more P&T places that disabled because there is more need...pretty straightforward interpretation I think?