To ask you ladies to sign this petition for a stronger sentence for this paedo...

[LoveoftheDarkroom]

ladies

I don't thinmk @ just 17 she should have a harsher sentance. Sorry.

Unless I am missing something?

I presume she had sex with the 13yo in question, who must have constented? (although eh is not of legal age to give consent).

WHat she did was very wrong, undoubtedly but she is not mature enough to fully understand how wrong.

can't see any details of what she has actually done.

but I am not putting my name to something that says "paedo" on it.

so... yabu.

"PROSECUTORS may appeal a ?soft sentence? handed to a teenage babysitter who abused two young sisters live on a webcam for a watching paedophile.

The 17 year-old girl attacked the four and three year-old in a sickening ordeal after being encouraged by pervert Kirk Thompson.

The paedophile, 24 and from Kitts Green, Birmingham, was jailed for two years for masterminding the abuse.

But his female accomplice escaped jail and received just a three-year community supervision order."

I'm more shocked that he only received 3 years. I think your petition needs to be reworded to reflect the gravity of the crime.

Oh sorry, I see a child under 13. I didn't notice the news article.

Presumably the CPS have reasons for giving such a light sentance, given the severity of the abuse? The mum herself even states in the news article that she knows the girl 'needs help'.

Cases like this are always going to be very emotive for obvious reasons, but i don't think calling for her to be locked up will help the matter.

jesus that's shocking that she won't see a day inside a prison for her actions.
But if you want anyone to take this appeal or petition seriously don't use the term "paedo" it will just make you seem like a bunch of ignorant reactionary tabloid readers.

we dont know the entirety of this case...why would anyone sign it???

Agree with ThreeBlondeBoys - I would sign anything I didn't know details of. Also, from what Rhubard says, if the man encouraged her to do it, surely she has also been a victim?

i feel like LittleRedDragon, there is a strong possibilty that she also is a victim.

YABU. Surely it would be better to leave the decision to appeal with the CPS. How could a bunch of strangers reading scant details on a local newspaper website add any serious weight to the debate? Fortunately this is not the way the justice system works.

Wont be signing for various reasons.
Three years for the man involved and no custodial sentence for the woman make me a little nauseous though.

"Also, from what Rhubard says, if the man encouraged her to do it, surely she has also been a victim?"

I agree with you that the details are scant and a decision can't be made on them. but I fail to see how you can come to this conclusion. How does someone encouraging you over a web-cam abdicate you of your responsibility? the victims are the children. The criminals are the girl who abused them and the man who encouraged her and obtained pleasure for them. She was an accomplice in the crime, she was not forced to do it or under durress.

I didn't say anything btw, I just copied and pasted.

The OP lacks presentation skills.

I don't sign petitions but I totally agree that she should have received a harsher sentence.

How do you know that MQ?

Seems a lot of assumptions being made here.

Actually

What a horrific story but just don't know enough detail to sign.

I also think this could be put forward better by the OP

Certainly wouldn't sign it - on account of not being party to the facts of the case

Without knowing who is culpable or whether they had the mental capacity to knowingly take part in crime I wouldn't sign anything.

I know nothing about the 17 year old so I couldn't possibly judge.

I do however trust in a jury of my peers - like all of you - I'm sure you would all reach the correct decision on the evidence presented to you.

"How do you know that MQ?

Seems a lot of assumptions being made here."

Sorry didn't make myself clear. As I said there aren't enough details to form a proper opinion. I meant to say that if what rhubarb linked was accurate, which was what littlereddragon was basing her opinion on, then there was nothing to suggest that the woman was also a victim. I was questioning her assertation that in a situation, hypothetical or real, where a 17 year old is encouraged and convicted as an accomplice there is no durress or force being used. Otherwise the courts would not have convicted her so they obviously found no evidence of duress. I apologise I meant to make it clear that this argument was based only on what we've been presented with and I accept there could be much more to this case.

where a 17 year old is encouraged and convicted as an accomplice she is somehow a victim even though there is no durress or force being used

Just one question - if it was a 17 yr old boy instead of a 17 yr old girl who had sexually abused this 3 and 4 yr old, would any of you feel differently?

I'm confused, I thought the 17 yr old girl had had sex with a 13 yr old boy...not a 3 and 4 yr old? As a result, not signing as I don't get it. If I am right in my reading of the OP then I prob won't sign anyway, as it is so difficult to call. At the school I work at there are all sorts of mixed age range relationships going on, much against the advice of everyone. This does happen, it it was consensual (still stat rape I know) then a more severe, residential sentence doesn't always seem right. Hving worked with social services you do hear some awful stories, but on the whole the cases are so complex it is impossible for outsiders to judge.

Oh, now I am even more confused. There will have been a reason for this sentence, how can we presume to know better unless we move towards reactionary, vigilante style justice?

Anything which uses the word 'Paedo' smacks of a lack of intelligence to me. So I won't be signing it, just the same as I don't join any of those awful facebook groups people set up for similar things.

this is the actual story it is not nice reading.