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To expect dog owners to keep their dogs under control?

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topher40 · 18/02/2010 10:22

My son and I were on the beach the other day when a dog came charging out of nowhere and almost knocked him flying .I asked the owner to be a little more considerate and she did apologise BUT 20 minutes later the same person was with another group who had 3 dogs which all came running over to where we were. Now I am not paranoid about dogs, I grew up with them, but I think it is a little off to allow your hound just to run around where there are small people especially when they are obviuosly not in the control of the owner. When I got a little testy with this person they gave me a look as if i was at fault. I have no problem with people walking their animals but is it unreasonable to expect them to keep them under control?

OP posts:
violethill · 18/02/2010 16:18

I don't think anyone on the entire thread has complained about deliberately getting up close to a dog and then not liking the outcome.

The whole point is that we don't have a choice if the dog comes up close to us and causes a nuisance.

To make myself absolutely clear, when I got slobbered on by a lab, I had not approached it and stuck my sleeve in its gob. It ran up to me. And got my sleeve in its mouth, and slobbered over it. But of course, I'm supposed to just put up with it and 'take it on the chin' aren't I

And you wonder why you're not getting through to people .....

SpicedGerkin · 18/02/2010 16:20

chibi - If it's a choice between a yorkie and a 20 month old i know what i'd choose.

Horrid ratty things that they are! (That is really for another thread )

violethill · 18/02/2010 16:21

P.S Oh sorry I forgot - my fault for walking in public places and minding my own business isn't it?!!

illgetyoubutler · 18/02/2010 16:28

I've yet to come acros a toddler/small child who is CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO APPROACH ME, being as I am a stranger to them, take my hand, clothed arm, leg or other body part, and consciously put it in his/her mouth!
Oh, as well as tugging and pulling with his/her weight, maybe shaking his/her head quickly from side to side, in the same manner dogs do, bite through clothing, cause damage and the need for stiches. Plus cause emotional and physical trauma which lasts for years, possibly a lifetime...

OH COME ON!

Morloth · 18/02/2010 16:31

Told ya, its like I have the gift of the prophet or something.

(Either that or I spend too much time on Mumsnet).

loubielou31 · 18/02/2010 17:45

If I was a small child being charged at by a medium sized dog I think I'd be quite justified in being terrified in much the same way as if as a fully grown adult I was charged at by a cow or a horse I'd be bloody terrified too. Being told by the owner that "they won't hurt you, they only want to play". Is too bloody late because their dog has already frightened my child.
The OP is definately not being unreasonable to expect dog owners to control their dogs in public places. Anyone trying to suggest otherwise is in my opinion an irresponsible dog owner.

tethersend · 18/02/2010 17:56

harimosmummy,

If we are going to get technical, it is far easier to extrapolate oneself from a human bite than a dog's. I can show you a technique if you like

Besides, you are far more likely to be bitten by a mosquito than either a dog or a child. Following your logic, this points to mosquitos as a greater danger to children than a dog (this is not a country where malaria is present btw).

Perhaps I should make room on the boat for them too?

harimosmummy · 18/02/2010 20:10

tethers - My DS is the exception to the rule. he Bites, and doesn't let go!!

How is the boat going? x

tethersend · 18/02/2010 20:57

harimo, I have removed myself and others from many a biting child that would not let go. The trick is to push into the bite, and then use a special jaw release technique which you have to be taught as part of certificated physical intervention training.

I have upgraded the boat to an ark.

ShinyAndNew · 18/02/2010 21:00

Can you fit hamsters on your boat? Hamsters are evil and definately should not be allowed near small people.

weegiemum · 18/02/2010 22:11

Just came back to this - I wasn't with my dh when it happened - I phoned him at work (he's a doctor) and he said phone an ambulance as torn shoulder veins can bleed out quickly.

If I had been with him then one of us would certainly not have let it go. But I was in the park - near a play area - with a 4 yo, a screaming and then passing out 2yo and a 4mo baby in a sling.

I think the thing that shocked me most was the guy suggesting I was at fault for hitting his dog. The dog had just gone for my child's throat!

stopcopyingme · 18/02/2010 23:28

I personally feel and as the law states dogs should always be under control. That means different things to different people and in my experience the lesser the control indicates a lesser understanding of their dog and what it might do.
I have 6 dogs and for various reasons I will always place all of them on their leads when meeting new people. even though all have very good obedience and very well trained. people with less control over their dogs are the ones letting them run freely and can't recall their dog. I feel all owners should be made to attend training classes.

If a dog approaches you uninvited I have always advised people to shout to the owners "recall your dog now or I will phone the police" all the owners hear is recall and police and they tend to do it pretty sharpish! I would rather people thought I was moody/nasty/harsh than risk a situation.

In relation to the OP I think the dog was just interested and it was the owners who we're in the wrong for not paying attention to others around them, they are the ones who need to be on the boat!

sunnydelight · 19/02/2010 05:57

We've just got a puppy (we're in Sydney) and all dogs here must be on a leash at all times in public unless at a specific "off leash area" - as a dog owner I'm all for that as I don't feel confident having loads of strange dogs run up and sniff around mine.

However, there are always those people who thinks that the rules don't apply to them ...

GabberFlasted · 19/02/2010 08:42

tethersend - YANBU.

Just an annoying twat.

Lucyellensmumma · 19/02/2010 09:18

oh, i was caught out the other day - took my mums huge dog and my little dog on the beach. Sort of forgot about it being half term, even though my DD is off school

So, let the dogs off - one did a poo so i picked that up, was on way to poo bin and the other one did one - just for fun, went to get it - in the mean time my little fecker went haring off after another dog, my mothers dog (huge) went haring after it was like human skittles on the promenade - in the few minutes that it took my dogs to do their poos, the beach was crowded like a summers day! There were honestly no people when i let them off - i was mortified and of course put them both back on the lead. No harm done - thankfully, my dogs are friendly and in no way agressive, but of course, they should have been on the lead and would have been had i actually been THINKING!!

I dont think dogs should be on lead everywhere - i was able to take them to a part of the beach where people dont tend to walk in the colder months and let them off again. But yes, i do concede that generally i high human traffic areas dogs should be on the lead. I do love seeing dogs run about though and have found that the majority of people i encounter when im out with my dogs do to. I often find myself having to stop to let children stroke the dogs and people are generally positive - if i see a parent pulling a cats bum face i assume they mumsnet!

Its a question of common sense - lots of people - dog on lead, woodland walk, lots of space - few people, what harm is there in your dog being off lead. Also, most dogs i see walking off lead along the beach pretty much ignore people anyway so can't see the harm, my dog is an idiot and thinks everyone wants to be his friend and jumps up, so he is on lead - except when i have a blonde day and dont think that i will see anyone!

tethersend · 19/02/2010 10:24

You want to be careful with that razor-sharp wit of yours, GabberFlasted; it would be awful if you cut yourself on it and bled to death slowly in agonising pain.

I'm not sure where I asked if I were being unreasonable, not being the OP and all, but I'm glad you felt moved to post your opinion. It means a lot.

Perhaps you don't like the boat/ark idea? In which case, let me allay your fears by promising a spot on deck just for you.

Keep up those biting comebacks, you're obviously getting very good at them now

GabberFlasted · 19/02/2010 13:10

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SerenityNowakaBleh · 19/02/2010 13:22

Gabber - why are you attacking tethers in such a personal way? Maybe step away from the computer, have a break

tethersend · 19/02/2010 13:25

New to MN are we?

Don't worry, with practice, you may end up being funny. Or incisive. Or something- not really sure what you're aiming for, TBH.

Are you in love with me and just don't know how to tell me?

It's ok. I feel it too. Give in.

GibbonInARibbon · 19/02/2010 13:47

Gabber, would you like to talk about it?

GibbonInARibbon · 19/02/2010 13:48

Your problem I mean.

tethersend · 19/02/2010 13:49

The problem of being in love with me?

GabberFlasted · 19/02/2010 13:52

It would appear I've upset tether's little fanbase. What on earth will I do...

I'm sorry tethers - lets be best friends forever.

tethersend · 19/02/2010 13:54

Oh goody, you're back.

Now, what else did you want to discuss?

GibbonInARibbon · 19/02/2010 13:55

Aww bless, I feel bad now, you really do seem to have issues.

Maybe time to slowly step away from the computer. Awww ((((((hug))))))