to object to the term 'glamour model?'

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OK, I'm aware I'm probably going to sound like a Daily Mail ranting version of my mother, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by this term being bandied about. Isn't it just soft porn, basically? Glamorised, to make it sound like a desirable ambition for girls without too much up top - that'll be up top in the brains department, not the boobs.

Bah!

Gabberflasted - you really are a blithering idiot.

TSC - you come across as vindictive and nasty on this whole thread. The way you have ranted on at SM and Expat is completely unnecessary and i don't blame them for getting completely exasperated with you tbh. I don;t think you should speak to people like that. I have seen you all across the board and you have always been fine but you seriously have done yourself no favours on this thread.

Don;t you think men would do it?

If my DH found out that someone he knew worked as a male stripper he would judge like billy-o. men also often do that awful thing of making assumptions about the sexuality of other men if they do certain jobs. I don't think it a female specific thing.

As for this argumemt - I fall somewhere in the middle of it all I think.

For me though denigrating the women who do the posing is missing the target - it should be the men who consume this stuff and the publishers to be targeted. Thinking about porny images in "mainstream" publications there. I don't like page 3 in a "family" newspaper and I don't like publications like the star being displayed at toddler/child eye height.

I also think it's probably the case that for every one woman who makes a lot of money, there are loads who don't make much, and loads who get exploited. Which is why I don't think presenting this type of job as a good option for girls is admirable.

tsc sm was on this thread before you, so am not sure how that equates to her "showing up and having a pop"?

Gawd knows about the other threads - but I did lutk on the burgers thread and saw you twi were having a bit of a barny on that (tbh you got a bit flamed re chucking a bag of burgers, I however thoight it was the funniest OP I had seen in ages).

Hope your dd is OK and is back home , btw (off topic, sorry).

Oh TSC that is so sad, really to hear that.

Your mother and sister have got a lot to answer for. Are you still speakig to them?

God knows what to say however the other poster on your thread (can't remember her name) whose son moved in with her mum and never came back chilled me to the bone. I really hope that you and your dd can sort it out, with no bloody interference from your mum etc. Can you arrange some kind of family mediatuon (sorry have no idea how you would go about this) because it is horrible that this sitiation is dragging on. perhaps her school could help, I don;t know.

And you are pregnant as well - can't be a bloody nice time for you at the mo.

Sorry, complete therad diversion.

So this is the only definition I could find for Glamour Modelling. Admittedly, it is from Wikipedia, but it does say that it's to show woman in an alluring or romantic way.

ROFL @ "romantic"

TSC sorry to hear you are having probs IRL I hoipe everything is resovled soon

Murder!Polis!its me again posting in a built up area. i post on mn when i wish,on any topic,and will continue to participate in any thread.mn is a discussion forum accessible to its members.visible to non members

the notion that i traipse around mn seeking out specific deluded posters is risible.

mn is busy and lively enough that i dont have to have a pop at any one specific person.nor would I.I respond to posts not posters

i suggest if anyone feels attacked that suggests more about them than the alleged actions of another.and if anyone sits and ruminates over perceived slights perhaps time to switch off and switch off

thing about mn is one can vociferously disagree on one topic and concur on another.if grudges and gripes emerge then perhaps get a grip

Eveyone should use their talents, boobs or brains.I think some women are jealous of other women's beauty, at least we have choice in our aspirations.

just because someone doesn't concur with an opinion doesn't make them jealous

in fact it is a erroneously to say some qomen secretly ant a glamour model life/body and are jealous.and this jealousy manifests as denial

absolute keech - tits drop looks fade.glamour model got definite shelf life and past it period

frankly i think minimum age working in the sluice room is preferable to loadsa dosh and tots oot glamour job

I know not all glamour models/lapdancers etc are thick. I know two women who have done this kind of work. Neither are thick. Both are intelligent. One has massive self esteem issues and no boundaries or self preservation instincts. She was set to sex work as a teenager by her mother and did pole dancing as an adult. She didn't like it.
The second woman was very confident and quite happy to do topless waitressing at private parties but didn't enjoy lapdancing.

I don't understand how a person could feel comfortable doing that kind of work but I don't think all of them are abused, or stupid, or desperate. However, there certainly is a debate to be had about the effect that topless shots in magazines that children can buy, naked lapdancing clubs in town centres, etc etc is having on society. I believe that promoting the image of women as sexually available to literally any man who buys her image is not a good thing. I do not believe that it helps some men's sense of entitlement to enjoyment of women's bodies without respecting them as human beings. I do not like the pornification of society, 'raunch culture', I do not like business meetings being held in strip clubs, the lossening of strip club licenses so that one opens up on every corner, I do not like that incidents of rape and sexual assault increase in areas where strip clubs open, and I think that it is having a negative effect on society when girls aspire to be topless models and boys learn that this is the only type of sexuality that is accepatble or 'normal'. Never before have young boys been exposed to so much soft porn and sexual images and I do not believe it is a good thing at all.

As long as men lust after women, this sort of thing will go on.

Oh - I am jealous of some of their bodies tho - Nicola T had a pretty amazing post baby body! Wouldn't mind looking like her - but if I did, i still wouldn't do topless photos for money.

D&S you do make some seeping generalisations.

not all women are jealous of glamour models
not all men lust after said glamour models

most hetrosexual men find slim but curvy women attractive.I said that some women are clearly jealous of other womens beauty.IMO there are some very beautiful glamour models. Generally they do glamour because they are not 5'8" or over so cannot do fashion. Its up to them what career they pursue.Good luck to them I say.

i see no good luck working a trade that reduces women to components tits,arse

financially lucrative - perhaps

but as i said i think minimum age in sluice room is better than a shed load of dosh in a glamour job

i don't find it liberating or uplifting that such jobs are chosen.but yes they are available.

there is a good bit of cross over from glamour to fashion modelling -

most of the victorias secrets angels have done 'sports illustrated' covers, and done mens mags as well as womens

Any woman in modelling with larger boobs (short or tall) will find it harder to get work in fashion, and easier in the glamour sector.

although i think the OP has a point that the Page 3 stuff is not really glamourous at all, there is something about modelling swimwear and lovely undies that i can see the attraction in doing. So - the whole thing isn't that bad, but some is just smut.

not much going on mumsnet - no wonder we're all on the same threads!

scottishmummy, maybe you don't, but that doesn't mean other women don't have a right to chose for themselves, does it?

i have not denied anyone choice.people can make any choice if they have capacity.however it isnt a choice i would enthuse about