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AIBU to leave my pram in the hallway?

73 replies

coolbeans · 30/12/2009 18:47

We live in mansion block in central London, (so not the world's most child friendly dwelling).

There are three flats on the ground floor and ours is the furthest one back. It's a very big communal hall.

Anyway our (lovely) next door neighbours have rented out their flat and one of the new tenants has just complained to me about the fact that I leave my pram outside our door. Bear in mind this is nowhere near theirs and so the pram doesn't pose any kind of difficulty or obstacle to them, apart from, clearly, an aesthetic one.

She was quite rude and snotty and apparently its very presence "makes it look like a shanty town in here"

A bit far, no. It's a pram and a scooter, ffs, not a cardboard shack covered in newspaper.

Not huge amounts of space in the flat, hence leaving it outside my front door, in my third of the communal space.

Suppose I can (will) fold it up and bring it in, but what a pain!

(And, my other lovely neighbour told me to ignore her - she's not at all fussed and doesn't see it as an eyesore).

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coolbeans · 30/12/2009 20:46

Sorry; being a bit defensive. Am still smarting from "shanty town", compounded by accusation of "dumping".

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RockBird · 30/12/2009 20:47

That other thread was just fab. I forgot about it before the pic came up but it's made me PMSL

ChilloHippi · 30/12/2009 20:50

If no-one else has to pass by it then I don't see that it can be a problem.

Metatron · 30/12/2009 21:10

pramgate

pic near the bottom.....

Metatron · 30/12/2009 21:14

whoops already posted i see.

still feckin hilarious though!

IMoveTheStarsForChristmas · 30/12/2009 21:16

yes.

if it's only a tiny pram then fold it and bring it in.

doesn't matter how big your hallway is.

JaneS · 30/12/2009 21:22

Obviously you need to check the deeds, as others have said. But I have never lived anywhere (and I've lived in a lot of rented places with shared space, trust me) where the wording isn't something like, 'there must be no fire hazard and clear access; people must be considerate'. So you may find that the deeds don't give a clear answer either way.

But, if the space is truly communal, then these new residents must accept that you will put your pram there. If it's not in their way, they're being silly. Can you explain to them just how heavy a pram can be?!

Btw, very reasonable to be offended by the 'shanty town' remark!

scottishmummy · 30/12/2009 21:28

zapp is one of smallest buggy on market its tiny.communal hall isnt for dumping stuff most title deeds rightly forbid it

coolbeans · 30/12/2009 23:26

And the cheeky so and so is now having a 'gathering'; back from wherever, doors slamming, our bell rung erroneously twice, noisy chit chat in the hall.

Excuse me?

I think payback time is in order.

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scottishmummy · 30/12/2009 23:28

you sound very petty indeed.lookin for any reason to justify why you dump your pram in the hall

oh my gosh a "gathering"?well presumably it's confined to her private domain and not the communal hall

tethersjinglebellend · 30/12/2009 23:35

Not unless the guests are climbing in through the window, sm

scottishmummy · 30/12/2009 23:37

now thta would be a fine gathering indeed!.she could do wheelies in the bone rattlin zapp

alurkerspeaks · 30/12/2009 23:43

Check your deeds so you KNOW your position but I'm afraid I'm with your neighbour.

I am a long term flat dweller. If you choose to live in a flat either because of necessity or as a true lifestyle choice then there are certain limitations - storage space for prams and bicycles being one of them (in my last flat my bicyle lived in my bath).

Communal space is communal space and it is very easy for slippage -a pram becomes a pram + scooter, then a pram + scooter + childs bike and on it goes. I would also have asked you to desist doing it. Just as I asked my next door neighbour recently to stop storing their old furniture on the landing.

I am ever so slightly scarred though because I once had neighbours who thought it acceptable to bring their enormous sports motorbike inside because it was 'expensive' thus oil, road crud and a huge beast full of petrol was dragged in every night to trash the carpet, and increase our risk of being unable to get out in the event of fire.

Sorry but you did ask.

alurkerspeaks · 30/12/2009 23:43

Doh. Bicycle lived in the bath.

coolbeans · 30/12/2009 23:44

Do I sound petty? It's probably something to do with them waking up the three year old with unnecessary noisiness.

I expect that I think that if someone would take the time to complain about the sight of a pram in the hall, then I am entitled to feel equally as sensitive about them disturbing their neighbours with late night noise.

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JaneS · 30/12/2009 23:45

Just looked at my own tenancy agreement. It states that nothing shall be left to obstruct other people's access or to obstruct fire exits. It points out that home insurance doesn't cover communal areas. Nothing else said, and as far as I remember, this is very similar to my last 6/7 tenancies in the last 7 years.

Lots of people assume they have rights when they're just being picky.

scottishmummy · 30/12/2009 23:52

oh dear god juvenile tit for tat
you shouldn't dump pram in communal hall
she shouldn't cause nuisance and excessive noise

but "payback" time.LOL will you wheel pram with menace?noisily apply brakes in a built up area

alurkerspeaks · 30/12/2009 23:53

Sorry, it's obv my night for being mean but I also think you are being a bit petty.

I would caution care with the retaliatory complaints as good working relations with neighbours are useful and I suspect your 3 year old has the greater potential to make lots of noise than a (hopefully) occasional party.

SE13Mummy · 31/12/2009 00:00

We live in a first floor flat in London and our Maclaren usually lives on the ground floor outside our front door. Mind you, we do own the ground floor flat too. Maybe that's your solution; buy out all the other flats!

coolbeans · 31/12/2009 00:05

It's not really on to assume, or imply, that my child is a potential nuisance with regard to noise. It just isn't.

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SimpleAsABC · 31/12/2009 00:06

I think your being petty but tbh I think you have every right to be!

scottishmummy · 31/12/2009 00:22

lol does your 3yo levitate and move soundlessly? every 3yo makes noise and nuisance at some time .they all do.esp in flats and communal living.noise travels.not a blame issue,just noise happens

ChippingIn · 31/12/2009 01:52

YANBU - I would leave it where it is until she can prove that you are not allowed to. You were doing it before she arrived, with no problems - let her do the leg work of finding out the legalities. It is NOT in her way. IF she had to squeeze past it to get to her door (as in the hilarious pramgate thread) fair enough and I'd be backing her - but she doesn't and she's just being a twat.

It's not slumlike (it's a PRAM, not a fridge) and your are not dumping (once again, a pram that is frequently being used, not an old sofa!!).

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