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to think smoking is worse than looking unfashionable?

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miserablemoralvacuum · 20/12/2009 17:17

ARGGGGH.

have just survived a lunch party with my dear sister and BIL, and some erm "friends" of ours who I could absolutely biff over the head after today.

Friends spent nearly 5 hours talking about their weight, how fashionably dressed they are, how fashionable their holidays are and how boring and unimaginative everyone else is, and - for quite some time- where the wife's favourite lingerie shop is in Paris, how much she spent last time she went there, how she bets most english women wear grey drawers and bras that don't fit... ie a load of self-absorbed twaddle one might expect to hear from a spoilt princessy 16 year old talking to her best friend.

friends have also taken up smoking, and kept making rueful "jokes" (pointed comments) about being forced to go outside for a fag. They kept offering them to us - despite me and DS having hideous colds. My sister, who I thought doesn't smoke, started accepting their offers and going outside with them.

Anyway after the friends have left my sister started going on about how wonderfully cool the friends are, and how she wants to go to paris and how it's so important for a wife to look great, dress properly, and be the right weight. All said while staring at me in my ugg boots, faded jeans, thermals and 4 handknitted jumpers, with a snotty 5yo hanging off my leg. With my face grey with tiredness after having been up most of the night with DS and got up to cook the bloody lunch.

I said pointedly that the only reason female friend is underweight is that she smokes like a chimney and is anorexic, and too busy buying french underwear and staring at herself in the mirror to go food shopping.

Dear sister shot back a remark about me maybe needing to take up smoking, no wonder my DH spent the whole lunch staring at female friend if all he ever sees is me in my long underwear and crappy old knitted jumpers from grandma.

Is she a lunatic or what? SMOKING FFS!!!!!!

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sarah293 · 20/12/2009 18:30

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ImSoNotTelling · 20/12/2009 18:31

Certianly smoking can help keep you thin (appetite suppressant) so I don't think those two points are mixed up TBH. Most models smoke I think?

InMyLittleHead · 20/12/2009 18:34

Yeah but why do you see so many fat people smoking?

Don't really understand the connection between looking good and your son respecting women. Surely the opposite, i.e. if you were appearance-obsessed he would grow up thinking all women have to look a certain way and make a major effort all the time.

WinkyWinkola · 20/12/2009 18:36

Smoking makes you stink. Since when was stinking fashionable?

I used to love love love smoking. Then I stopped when pg and also realised how deeply deeply uncool it is.

There's also a time for looking great - when you've been up half the night, have small children and are cooking for guests is not the time for looking great.

It's lovely to scrub up sometimes but your sister sounds a bit dim (sorry) to be so impressed by them.

miserablemoralvacuum · 20/12/2009 18:36

Riven, I'm really sorry to hear that . Having seen your other posts about other family members - sounds like you really don't need that worry on top of others. I do'nt have a clue how to deal with stroppy teenagers who decide to be self-destructive - but smokefree.nhs.uk/ and www.ash.org.uk/ may have something of use. The economic argument often works... at least it did with the money-obsessed types I went to school with. Fewer fags, more Dior handbags...

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Laquitar · 20/12/2009 18:42

Is smoking fashionable??

I thought it was so last decade Or actually so '80s. Am i totally in my own world?

Oh shit, now the perm might come back too

ImSoNotTelling · 20/12/2009 18:45

riven - buy her the allen carr book - say it's just for her to read she doesn't have to do anything.

Do you know any ex-smokers who she likes who aren't too old farty IYKWIM who would be able to tell her what an utter bastard it is to kick? I once stopped a 17yo work colleague smoking before he became really addicted...

How crappy for you (and her)

miserablemoralvacuum · 20/12/2009 18:47

I think the evidence suggests that smoking works as an appetite suppressant, but that only works so far if you smoke between meals, eat crap at mealtimes and do no exercise. You would then be in a feedback loop of feeling crap because of the smoking/ no exercise/ bad food. Hence fat people smoking.

Also smoking suppresses your immune system very effectively (the mechanism is quite cool - it's why smokers get less asthma but more bronchitis than the general population). this probably contributes to being either unhealthily thin or unhealthily fat.

Winky: my sister is definitely dim. Cool, but not the most insightful cookie in the box. Member of the opinionated chattering classes who moan about the govt/ science/ medicine/ economics - but don't understand the first flipping thing about how any of it works. Need I Say More...?

thank god she's gone home now. Pass the wine.

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rimmer08 · 20/12/2009 19:16

you are so NBU! self absorbed fuckers. i would lists the health benefits of not smoking next time they said anything. it sounds like some sort of cunt club to me

CardyMow · 20/12/2009 20:04

YANBU! I started smoking when I was 11. I have managed to give up during each of my pregnancies, but only because the smell made me throw up (literally, but I did have hyperemesis!). Unfortunately, as my partners never gave up, I went straight back to it after. I can't take the tablets due to my epilepsy, and have tried every form of nicotine replacement out there. I'm finding it impossible to give up. . I'm even thinking of getting pregnant again, as it seems to be the only way I'll kick the dreaded cancer sticks! It's such a nasty stinky habit, and I wish wish wish I'd never started!

pispirispisloveschristmas · 20/12/2009 21:12

Smoking is an addiction, nothing more, nothing less. Only non-smokers believe smokers who say they do it because they enjoy it/it's cool/fashionable or whatever. Smokers know better - you smoke because you need a cigarette and will not be relieved until you have one. End of.

What's so cool/enjoyable about sucking the poison from a burning plant into your lungs? Those fantasies trick people like your sister into smoking one or two, believing they can control it. Then you get hooked. your sister's "friends" sound like knobs by the way!

pispirispisloveschristmas · 20/12/2009 21:13

Riven, I second the Allen Carr book.

pispirispisloveschristmas · 20/12/2009 21:15

A lot of people gain weight when they smoke because it makes them anxious and depressed to be smoking, and discourages them from exercising. you feel like, why bother dieting when you're ruining your health...

Ivykaty44 · 20/12/2009 21:21

fashionable?

Ivykaty44 · 20/12/2009 21:23

lips to kiss

humptynumpty · 20/12/2009 21:23

ivykaty pmsl

Ronaldinhio · 20/12/2009 21:29

smoking is cool

look at all the cool skellingtons in the graveyard, thin and still dressed in their best clobber

i loved smoking but was only ever a social ie when pissed, smoker

I gave up when everyone had to stand in the cold

some people are abhorant but smoking isn't the only marker!!

chickbean · 20/12/2009 21:47

Having seen two people die of emphysema (and have months unable to leave home because they had to be permanently attached to oxygen) I am so glad that I don't smoke. The problem with some young people is that they don't connect themselves with anything too far in the future: when my brother started smoking he said he didn't think life was worth living after 25 - he's now 38 and can't remember saying that (and hasn't smoked since he met his wife). Can't understand anyone choosing to start later on.

katnkittens · 21/12/2009 00:12

I don't think smoking is fashionable at all.

I quit a few months ago due to pregnancy but when I did smoke I used to be embarrassed about doing it in front of people. Possibly a throw back to my Mum telling me as a tween that 'only rough, nasty people smoke'.

I have to say I love smoking but like most I started very young - around 13/14 with the odd one then regularly from about 16/17.

The only time I manage to quit is when I am pregnant (this is my 4th) but I always start again after.

Fecking evil things.

Your sisters friends sound like vacant trolls btw

YANBU

katnkittens · 21/12/2009 00:13

100% agree with chickbean too.

The health effects didnt bother me until I was about 25 as I used to say I didn't ever want to be 40 anyway

bellabelly · 21/12/2009 00:31

I love smoking but I can tell you in strictest confidence that I am neither fashionable, nor thin (sigh).

miserablemoralvacuum · 21/12/2009 11:43

To top it off, have just seen friend-husband-with-leathery-skin-and-leather-jacket, at work. He thanked me for yesterday and said "I told your DH that he should consider giving you a spa weekend for christmas, because you really don't look like you're coping."

I think he was trying to be sympathetic. What the for? I cooked his feckin' lunch for him, didn't I?

I smiled and said I was delighted he and his wife had enjoyed the lunch.

TWUNTS.

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MamaLazarou · 21/12/2009 12:01

I third the Allen Carr book. I gave up after 20 years of smoking: no cravings, no regrets.

Rafi · 21/12/2009 12:06

Maybe you should send them Allen Carr book for Christmas.

MsDoctor · 21/12/2009 12:13

My friend smoked all through her pregnancies and never bf because she loved smoking gave up in a heartbeat after spending time on a lung cancer ward (most people were there because of lung cancer) she said that these people looked the most ill and like the living dead that she had ever seen.

Riven see if you can get your dd to volunteer somewhere like that.