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AIBU to send this letter re: rude loon of practice manager @ GPs?

44 replies

ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:42

Honestly, it was surreal. Incidentally, for both phone calls I was sitting in a room with several work colleagues who confirmed to me that I wasn't somehow being rude without realising...

Dear Dr Kilbride,
I am writing to express my concern at the behavior today of your Practice Manager, Mrs Hyacinth Bucket.
My husband telephoned your surgery on Friday, 11th December to enquire about joining your practice ? we moved to Our Rd in May & are now out of catchment for our previous surgery. He was asked to download, complete & email the registration forms, which he did at 10:37am that day.
I telephoned this morning to check that the forms had been received (dh had told me that he?d returned them; I assumed this meant that he?d physically dropped them in to the surgery), & to arrange appointments for myself & my son ? we both need routine repeat prescriptions for our asthma.
Mrs Bucket informed me that she hadn?t received the registration forms. She expressed doubt that dh had bothered to return them. I said that I would double check in case I?d misunderstood him; in which case, or if the forms had been mislaid at the surgery, I?d print off duplicates & hand them in this afternoon. I asked how quickly I could see a GP, as my five year old son needs a repeat prescription & I was anxious to get this sorted out before Christmas.
Mrs Bucket adopted a patronizing tone of voice to ?explain? that we needed to re-submit the forms. She then talked me through the procedure (check after 48 hours to see if we had been accepted, new patient appointment, then GP appointment). She said that it was impossible for either myself or my son to have an appointment before Wednesday or Thursday of next week, assuming we were accepted as patients (an outcome which, she strongly implied, was doubtful).
I was rather taken aback by her unhelpful attitude.
However, I telephoned dh, who explained that he?d emailed the forms to the surgery.
When I rang Mrs Bucket back to explain this, she checked the practice?s email. It apparently hadn?t previously occurred to her to do this. She found the emailed forms, but insisted that they had been emailed ?today?. I explained that this was not the case, as was easily verifiable from the date & time stamp in my husband?s email outbox, & asked again how quickly we could see a doctor.
She again adopted a rude & patronizing tone: ?As I told you earlier??. The subsequent conversation included phrases such as ?We aren?t obliged to accept patients?, ?It doesn?t matter if you sent them 20 days ago if I haven?t seen them? ?You aren?t our patients, so I don?t have to help you?, ?You should probably apply to a different practice?, ?I am the practice manager & you were rude to me earlier? (absolutely not the case, I was extremely patient).
The conversation ended with me agreeing that we would certainly go elsewhere.
Dh telephoned later to confirm that we wished our application deleted. He spoke to your receptionist, who was very informative: she explained that the email system was relatively new, only checked every two days & that staff didn?t really know how to use it.
It surprises me, frankly, that a staff member such as Mrs Bucket, who is employed by you in a ?management? capacity, is not au fait with such 20th century clerical skills as checking the date on an email & downloading an attachment within a week of its dispatch. However, the presumably rudimentary nature of her ICT skills certainly doesn?t excuse her rude & aggressive telephone manner, nor her refusal to engage in a courteous & professional way with a family of prospective patients who had applied using a method which your staff recommended, nor her suggestion that both dh & myself were lying to her about returning the forms.
Dh made it clear, in an amicable conversation with your receptionist, that we would be registering elsewhere, having completely lost confidence in your practice. She helpfully suggested an alternative local surgery, but for some reason felt it necessary to tell dh that ?They are white?. We fail to see the relevance of this & find the implications of the comment thoroughly offensive.
I am cc?ing this letter to the Primary Care Trust. We are of course willing to discuss its contents with them at any time.

Yours etc

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ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:43

Oh bugger - for some reason that font (c&p from word) turns apostrophes into question marks!

V annoying in an already long post! Sorry

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ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:45

Trying again - those ?s render it unintelligible if not unreasonable...this looks OK in preview.

Dear Dr Kilbride,
I am writing to express my concern at the behavior today of your Practice Manager, Mrs Hyacinth Bucket.
My husband telephoned your surgery on Friday, 11th December to enquire about joining your practice ? we moved to Our Rd in May & are now out of catchment for our previous surgery. He was asked to download, complete & email the registration forms, which he did at 10:37am that day.
I telephoned this morning to check that the forms had been received (dh had told me that he?d returned them; I assumed this meant that he?d physically dropped them in to the surgery), & to arrange appointments for myself & my son ? we both need routine repeat prescriptions for our asthma.
Mrs Bucket informed me that she hadn?t received the registration forms. She expressed doubt that dh had bothered to return them. I said that I would double check in case I?d misunderstood him; in which case, or if the forms had been mislaid at the surgery, I?d print off duplicates & hand them in this afternoon. I asked how quickly I could see a GP, as my five year old son needs a repeat prescription & I was anxious to get this sorted out before Christmas.
Mrs Bucket adopted a patronizing tone of voice to ?explain? that we needed to re-submit the forms. She then talked me through the procedure (check after 48 hours to see if we had been accepted, new patient appointment, then GP appointment). She said that it was impossible for either myself or my son to have an appointment before Wednesday or Thursday of next week, assuming we were accepted as patients (an outcome which, she strongly implied, was doubtful).
I was rather taken aback by her unhelpful attitude.
However, I telephoned dh, who explained that he?d emailed the forms to the surgery.
When I rang Mrs Bucket back to explain this, she checked the practice?s email. It apparently hadn?t previously occurred to her to do this. She found the emailed forms, but insisted that they had been emailed ?today?. I explained that this was not the case, as was easily verifiable from the date & time stamp in my husband?s email outbox, & asked again how quickly we could see a doctor.
She again adopted a rude & patronizing tone: ?As I told you earlier??. The subsequent conversation included phrases such as ?We aren?t obliged to accept patients?, ?It doesn?t matter if you sent them 20 days ago if I haven?t seen them? ?You aren?t our patients, so I don?t have to help you?, ?You should probably apply to a different practice?, ?I am the practice manager & you were rude to me earlier? (absolutely not the case, I was extremely patient).
The conversation ended with me agreeing that we would certainly go elsewhere.
Dh telephoned later to confirm that we wished our application deleted. He spoke to your receptionist, who was very informative: she explained that the email system was relatively new, only checked every two days & that staff didn?t really know how to use it.
It surprises me, frankly, that a staff member such as Mrs Bucket, who is employed by you in a ?management? capacity, is not au fait with such 20th century clerical skills as checking the date on an email & downloading an attachment within a week of its dispatch. However, the presumably rudimentary nature of her ICT skills certainly doesn?t excuse her rude & aggressive telephone manner, nor her refusal to engage in a courteous & professional way with a family of prospective patients who had applied using a method which your staff recommended, nor her suggestion that both dh & myself were lying to her about returning the forms.
Dh made it clear, in an amicable conversation with your receptionist, that we would be registering elsewhere, having completely lost confidence in your practice. She helpfully suggested an alternative local surgery, but for some reason felt it necessary to tell dh that ?They are white?. We fail to see the relevance of this & find the implications of the comment thoroughly offensive.
I am cc?ing this letter to the Primary Care Trust. We are of course willing to discuss its contents with them at any time.

Yours etc

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moondog · 18/12/2009 22:47

It's too long and rambling.Make your point in a brief letter, keep it objective.

cornsilklikeshumous · 18/12/2009 22:47

What's that last bit mean? Who is white?

BigBadMummy · 18/12/2009 22:48

Word perfect, send it.

What a cow.

Have you found another surgery?

moffat · 18/12/2009 22:49

OMG that is shocking but obviously you are so NBU.

ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:49

The alternative local doctors are white. For reasons best known to herself, the receptionist at the original surgery thought this was information that dh needed to have.

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TeamEdward · 18/12/2009 22:49

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nigglewiggle · 18/12/2009 22:50

I managed to read it . She sounds like an ineffectual jobs-worth.

I'm also shocked and intrigued about the "they are white" comment. Why would that be relevant?

You are quite right to send the letter.

TigerDrivesAgain · 18/12/2009 22:51

only comment - 21st century not 20th

What an old mare and obnoxious receptionist. Hope you get it sorted. There must be a complaints procedure which starts with the practice and then escalates to the (?) primary health care trust or something?

cornsilklikeshumous · 18/12/2009 22:51

That's bizarre and quite alarming. Agree that letter is a bit long. Just make the most important points and cut out the rest.

nigglewiggle · 18/12/2009 22:52

Well it is 20th century technology - so even more surprising that she hasn't mastered it yet.

wineslurper · 18/12/2009 22:53

hello! YANBU, seems a very balanced letter to me, hope you and ds get medication required before holiday, and Ms Bucket sounds like a classic control freak! Hope you get registered with someone better soon

ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:53

I know it's the C21, I was being sarky! Will change it tho' in order to be more objective.

Agree with moondog et al that it's too long & waffly. First draft ranting. Will re-draft when I've slept on it.

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JustAnotherManicMummy · 18/12/2009 22:54

Make it shorter and send it with a telephone number for them to discuss specifics if required.

YANBU to complain. Officious old baggage. We had a surgery just like that when trying to register. We went elsewhere.

Brunettelady · 18/12/2009 22:55

Yes, great letter, appalling doctors. Send it. "They are white"? WTF is that about? I've seen many (mainly) foreign doctors (at my hospital) and they have all been absolutely fantastic.

ravenAK · 18/12/2009 22:56

Oh & we have now registered with the other doctors (you know - the ones who are white...), who seem very nice & have booked me & the dc in for the full new patient thing on Monday.

That's the last time I let dh choose us a GP...

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mum2all · 18/12/2009 23:01

Thats a shocking way to behave (them not you) especially as had you gone into the surgery with your son and asked to see a doctor you can fill in a form there and then and they are obliged to give you the next available appointment. Particularly bad if you explainde that your small child was in need of medication. Would follow up letter with a call to the PCT to see what they are going to do about it.

Ivykaty44 · 18/12/2009 23:02

It is to long, I got 3/4 of the way through and gave up.

The person reading the letter will do the same, then file under 13

Pick another gp's
apply to become patients and if you want to complian then write a short brief note of complaint

you do not need to belong to a gp's practice to get an appointment, I have seen a gp in Mullion and a gp in Gosforth niether had my dc notes or mine and both perscribed medicine needed

StrictlyBoogying · 18/12/2009 23:08

Also, I think that you're entitled to see a Doctor regardless of whether you're registered there - particularly if it's urgent medication for a child.

ravenAK · 18/12/2009 23:23

To be honest, I know it's long & I'll try to edit down a bit (it looks less dense in properly spaced paragraphs on Word!) but I'm not really expecting an outcome from the original surgery anyway.

We're sorted with another GP & I suspect we've had a lucky escape.

It's more that if I don't complain, what if the next person on the receiving end of this is rather more vulnerable & easily cowed?

I discussed it with my father, who worked for the NHS for many years, & his advice was 'You have to complain about this: your individual complaint won't count for much, but it'll be kept on file & it may well be part of a bigger picture of complaints.' I think that's fair enough.

It was really unpleasant. I came off the phone the second time close to tears, & I'm honestly not weepy or easily bullied as a general rule.

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reservejudgement · 18/12/2009 23:41

at "They're white"
I do think you should send in your letter, maybe just shorten it a little.
You have had a narrow escape! Imagine if that was your GP now!

alypaly · 18/12/2009 23:58

copy them in with the letter to the pct..is dr kilbride his real name by any chance? as i know a practice with a doctor called kilbride and their practice manager is a pillock too

jasper · 19/12/2009 00:03

Too long and rambling.
Make it more succinct and send it.

If the receptionist at my work was like this I would want to know

ravenAK · 19/12/2009 00:37

I get the point about the rambling! In fact, I agreed with Moondog on that one when she first replied.

First draft rant - I posted it here in full because I wanted to be sure I'd covered the whole incident, rather than AIBU by stealth.

No, he's not really Dr Kilbride! Name changed to protect the innocent - he may well be a fabulous doctor, but his staff fall short of being ambassadors for his practice IMO.

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