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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that my husband DOESN'T want to save our marriage -sorry long, but I'm desperate for opinions

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hesruinedmylife · 16/12/2009 19:17

hi all, I have namechanged and I am completely devastated by what has happened to me. However I'd like some honest opinions, hence I came on the AIBU. Excuse my english, it's my second language and I have been crying for over 24 hours, so bare with me please. Will try to keep this short, where possible.

Met DH almost 5 years ago, both fell madly in love, engaged only thre months later, all in all, 17 months after we met we were married with a baby. Twenty months later a second one arrived. They are now 3.4 and 20 months

DH is a fantastic dad, very hands on, he never saw the babies as "my job" and they adore him. He's a bit changed though as a person. I can't tell exactly when this happened, but I believe it's around the time DC2 arrived. We moved country 3 years ago and came to live near my family and take over the family bussiness. DH is extremely stressed about work, much more than it's logical, to the point that sometimes I feel he puts it before the family. It wouldn't bother me so much if the bussiness depended on him physically being there 6 days a week, but it doesn't it's not of such nature. I will stay at home from work if he needs me (if he's ill or needs help with something around the house) but he won't do the same for me. It bothers me terribly that he kinda looks down on me if I suggest we both take the day off to do such and such (things that NEED doing), as if I'm lazy. I am very hardworking btw and he knows it.

I'm saying all this to give you a taste of the relationship. We have been having HUGE communication issues. We argue almost every day but the arguments are for pathetic reasons, like "why did you look at me funny?", I swear to god this can turn into a 30'argument. I think the biggest problem is that he doesn't talk. I've beeged a billion tiimes, it has brought us to talk about divorce in the past. He's not the man I used to know, with a song in his heart and a smile on his lips. He's always moody. And when we argue I tie my stmach in knots while he's forgotten about it all 10 seconds later.

Anyway, last night he did something that I consider terrible. Please, I won't tell what, it's irrelevant. The fact is that with all our problems we do love each other more than anything else on the world. But I could have sworn and bet my life that he'd never do this thing. My entire world was crumbled in a matter of seconds. Everything I believed we had, it all dissappeared. I can easily forgive him his mastake, for which he has apologised and assumed full responsibility, but I don't think I can ever ever trust him again. His word doesn't mean shit anymore. I WANT to believe him, but HOW?

After a night of us starign at each other and crying not knowing what has happened to us, this morning he was avoiding even to look at me. So I held his hand and he cuddled me. I told him that I love him but this is going to take time and he said "of course". Somehow it seems that he thought this means it's all good!!

I stayed home today and spent the day crying, when the kids came back from nursery I took them to my mum's because I couldn't do anything but cry. I thought he'd try to connect with me. I don't want him to grovel or anything, but IT IS his fault we're here. Maybe offer to go for a drink or even watch a movie together at home FFS. Just show me you want to spend time with me.

I thought I'd help him out and suggested that we do together something tomorrow morning when the kids are at school. He went nuts and abruptly said "I have to go to work". There's absolutely nothing going on at work on the week before christmas, nobody else is there. I waned to scream "I have to go to work too moron but I'm trying to save our marriage, it's going down the drain and you just stand there and watch it".

I feel devastated beyond words, if we didn't have children I'd be out of here for a few days, just to get some perspective.

AIBU to expect him to show me that he gives a shit about US???

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2009 20:31

bloody hell

you have gone from no information to TMI in record time !

what do you mean by flirted ?

come on, spill

WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 16/12/2009 20:33

I just wrote a really great reply and it disappeared and in the meantime....

(note to self: must type faster)

Flirtation isn't really a big deal - but the lack of communication might be - you must try and sort this out.

Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:34

My nipples don't touch the floor when I take my bra off and I definitely can't get 3 tampons up my vagina. Is this some foreign language saying that doesn't translate well?

WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 16/12/2009 20:35

I think she means that the other woman has perky breasts and spring back vadge.

MeltedTreeChocolates · 16/12/2009 20:35

I'm going for the very young woman.......

So he flirted with someone far to young to be flirting with?

Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:37

How young? Under 18? Under 16? When you say flirted, do you mean full scale come on, or just, flirted? Were you there? What did this flirtation consist of?

More details please.

A side issue that springs to mind is that you have been so busy with stuff happening (marriage, children, moving, family business) that actually, you don't really know each other that well.

Portofino · 16/12/2009 20:39

The question I want to ask is "Who looks at who funny?"

MeltedTreeChocolates · 16/12/2009 20:41

Or maybe you expect it all on your own terms? I don't see what is wrong with him working for example?

(not saying this is the case, just trying ot throw suggestions out there)

hesruinedmylife · 16/12/2009 20:42

Fine, but please don't laugh at me, I'm in floods of tears right now.

he was watching porn. I can see you laughing. I know that for a lot of people it's not a big deal, but I know that he simply wouldn't do that a few months ago.

Actually maybe the info is important. Childbirth has left me with a pelvic disability (which I will REALLY NOT go into details about) which means that sex is painful and difficult. For ever. I have told him in the past that I would understand if he needed other outlets, but he was promising that all he wanted was to be with me, sex or not.

I have cried a lot about the way things are, I have to physically depend on him for several aspects of childcare, but he has not once made me feel bad about it. I wish I was healthy and felt sexy. I wish he would have told me that he wanted to do that.
I wouldn't be feeling this way then. He said that he feels like he cheated on me and doesn't know what to do to make it right.

AIBU to just want him to get closer to me??? He complains that we never cuddle long enough before sleep. I'm not a cuddler, so he's got a point. But I need to feel closer in a different way, over a cup of coffee for example. And he knows that.

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Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:44

Also, I'm not excusing his bad behaviour but it is actually quite unpleasant to be around people who make you feel guilty - especially if you don't think you have done anything wrong, or aren't entirely to blame. The easiest thing to do, mentally, when in the wrong and someone is making you feel shit about it, is to think "she's making me feel bad, actually it's her fault."

It sounds unfair but if I had done something "innocent" of which my husband disapproved, and he had spent all day at home in tears about it, I wouldn't feel much like spending the day with him, because that wouldn't be a fun filled day you had planned? It would have been more tears, more arguing, more "why are you looking at me funny". No ta.

You both need couples counselling, and probably separately too. Ask him if he will agree to go to relate. If he won't, go yourself anyway. They are brilliant.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2009 20:44

awww, why would we laugh ??

you sound very upset and should have just told us at the beginning of the thread

choosyfloosy · 16/12/2009 20:45

hesruined, if you don't want to tell, please don't. But don't blame us if we get the angle slightly wrong as a result.

DH and I became parents very shortly after meeting and tbh I think it CAN work really well -it means you still have a few stars in your eyes in the toddler years! I wouldn't blame that in itself.

You both have dealt with a hell of a lot in a short time though. DH had some sort of flirt/crush/kiss issue with someone at work about 3 years ago. The fact that he told me straight away I found frankly to be evidence that we had something fairly strong going. But maybe that's because he was clearly distraught at what he'd done.

I have to say that to me this sounds like a relationship that desperately needs the reality check of a bit of counselling. Or a lot of counselling. Certainly it doesn't always work, but it sounds as if you both take each other's words and actions as meaning certain things, which may in fact not be meant that way. I think you have every chance of coming through this to a better time- I hope so.

choosyfloosy · 16/12/2009 20:46

ooops xposted. Sorry hesruined.

hesruinedmylife · 16/12/2009 20:46

I don't have issues with porn itself, just the way he went behind my back knowing full well I have issues with my health situation and our sex life. If that's what he wanted to do we could watch it together, make it part of an sexual experience, iyswim

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Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:46

Hmm, OK, porn. I don't like porn, I wouldn't be delighted if I caught DH watching it but I doubt I would spend all day in tears. Actually I know I wouldn't. But I can understand that your post childbirth problems probably make you feel much more strongly.

Looking at porn is not cheating though. It really really isn't. Not unless masturbating along to the thoughts in your head is cheating, and everyone does that.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2009 20:47

perhaps he was embarassed ?

like someone else said, it does sound like there are communication issues between you and this is a symptom of that

Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:49

x posted there. I see your point but despite the fact that you are a couple, and love each other, his sexual appetites are not your property. He didn't want to share it with you and he doesn't have to. Of course, if he were developing some kind of addiction which meant all sexual contact between you had ceased and he just stared at porn while wanking away every night then I would see you had a reason to be upset. This sounds like a one off though.

WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 16/12/2009 20:50

Ah, porn.

Well, there will be lots of ladies along soon who will be able to help you talk this out. I can't help really because I don't like pornography myself, but haven't really got a problem with a partner using it. (In fact I had a dirty weekend away with a man recently and we enabled the porn channel - in my defence I was quite pissed - and I ruined it by critiquing the performances and pondering on the terrible lives the "actors" must have had in order to have turned to such a profession - anyway I digress)

I know you're upset, and I wonder if you're being a leetle bit unfair on you husband? You can't have sex with him (and BTW, you might want to 2nd opinion on this) and you won't cuddle him much, and now you've caught the arse because he's having a wank? I'm sorry but, what do you want from him? I don't mean to be harsh at all, but...nope, I don't think I can help you too much on this one.

WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 16/12/2009 20:51

x posted again. FFS. I'm going to shut up.

hesruinedmylife · 16/12/2009 20:52

back in the uk dh used to work a lot with computers and a friend here asked him to have a look at his PC about 6 months ago.

When he came back home he told me how he found porn on he hard disc and how he felt sorry for the guy's wife. He actually said "if you need porn there's something really wrong in your marriage"

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2009 20:54

well, love, you have said yourself already there is something wrong with your marriage

you two need to talk

Georgimama · 16/12/2009 20:56

Well I'm afraid your husband previously had a slightly naive attitude to pornography. Or perhaps he said that to score brownie points with you at the time. I certainly don't think you can take that as an indication that your marriage is in trouble. It sounds like your marriage is in trouble but not because of porn.

hesruinedmylife · 16/12/2009 20:58

thank you everyone, really appreciate you taking time to respond. Gotta go give DS his 11pm feed or he'll be up in the middle of the night.
I'm saying this as I don't want anyone to think I've left in strop or anything

OP posts:
Georgimama · 16/12/2009 21:01

Oh don't worry about us, an OP flouncing off has never stopped a thread yet.

Come back when you can, if you want to.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 16/12/2009 21:15

ruined, come back when you can

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