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...to think that politicians clearly can't get enough of mumsnet?

56 replies

semi · 05/12/2009 22:44

Cameron, Brown, Milliband, Balls...is this something to do with the forthcoming election?

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MaryMotherOfCheeses · 05/12/2009 23:03

And that MNHQ are courting their involvement to enhance the brand.

Works both ways.

TotallyAndUtterlyPaninied · 05/12/2009 23:06

At least mums are being noticed and we don't have to jump up and down shouting 'hello, we are here too!!!'

If someone made promises about putting money into children's wards, maternity wards, labour wards, etc and said they'd let bankers, who protest over getting their 1.5 million pound bonuses, walk- I'd vote for them.

semi · 06/12/2009 09:20

Do you think they're getting an adequate grilling when they are up there though? I think they do what politicians do - evade the question, or worst still say they empathise and say that they will look into - but then don't....in that policy decisions can't be made on the spot and can take years to effect.....this is a real time world they've entered, but dont have real times solutions

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sarah293 · 06/12/2009 09:27

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Longtinsellyjosie · 06/12/2009 10:21

Well now you've said that here someone will challenge him on it - they're all watching!

I think the questions are fine - the Ed Miliband disposable nappies thing, for instance, is something no-one else would have thought of asking.

What's annoying me is all the articles from people who haven't got the balls for haven't got on with Mumsnet, saying, ooh poor politicians having to face nasty Mumsnet. Get a grip.

semi · 07/12/2009 10:17

so mumsnet represents a v tough audience? angry mums....i've had that same response when I've floated an idea or too. I am not sure how representative the opinion actually is...yes i am a parent but I don't agree with everything that's said on the site...

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Oblomov · 07/12/2009 10:46

I don't think Mn should participate. It never does us any favours. It ends up as 'one biscuit', 'stop touching your hair'. And thats all that anyone remembers. How can this be doing us any good at all.
MN is starting to get a bad name. Embarrasingly so. We need to address this.

Oblomov · 07/12/2009 10:48

cheese, have we told MNHQ that we don't want this? Or am I alone in thinking this ?
Who is MN for ?

JackTheHallsWithBauersOfHolly · 07/12/2009 11:06

But we are getting a 'bad' name amongst journo's who just want headlines, and the people that are really needed/need MN are still finding us, which is surely more improtant.
I'd rather have more parents/carers with advice to give or advice needed than a few journo's anyday.

Oblomov · 07/12/2009 11:17

Jack, but mums read newspapers. or meet with friends who give opinions , never having been to the site.... oh don't go to Mn, I heard it was .....
Mn has so much good, to offer, that we need to be mindful or what we are presenting. or what is being presented of us. I know we can't control journalists.
But some of the journalists comments over the last few months, well they had a point, didn't they ? I was saddened to have to agree with a couple of things they said.
We need to take care.

smallwhitecat · 07/12/2009 11:28

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splodge2001 · 07/12/2009 11:29

Who cares what the journos say, really??? To start to say that Mumsnet needs to be more one way or another totally defeats the point of a democratic forum.

The people who already use mumsnet are very aware of its benefits. Of those who don't use it there will be some that think 'It's a silly wolly biscuity mumsy cardiganny breastfeeding in publicky idiot site' and they wont bother checking it out.

A further proportion will be motivated to have a look, where they will see at any one time some silly biscuity stuff and some really good stuff and the beauty is that they can contribute if they're feeling biscuity or more serious.

The net result Oblomov is the old adage 'All publicity is good publicity'

Deadworm · 07/12/2009 11:31

Oblomov I agree we need to take care. Re your question,I don't remember any discussion on the specific question of whether MNers want to invite so many high-profile politicians onto the livechats, and wade in so fully with all the publicity opportunities that have been presented by politicians characterising this election as the 'Mumsnet election' (i.e. an election in which 'mothers' are regarded as key floating voters, and online forums are regarded as key electioneering platforms.

There have been related discussions. The Campaigns and Alliances thread seemed to show a lot of support and very little opposition for the idea of using Mumsnet as an oportunity for users to push certain campaigns, e.g around miscarriage and breastfeeding. The controversy over the proposed Mumsnet-approved Daily Mail column showed a lot of mistrust and reluctance about too heavy encouragement of press interest in the talkboard.

Naturally MNHQ want to use the politician and media interest as much as possible for promotion of the site, and quite a few MNers seem to have an interest in developing MN as a political voice.

BUT I think it also true to say that an awful lot of others are either uninterested in using MN in this way or rather dismayed by the intensity of the new MN/media relationship. I was shocked to discover the other day that an MNer had been approached via CAT by the Daily Mail, who had an interest in a thread she had started. It is a bit dismaying that the press feels so much at home here that it thinks it appropriate to use a contact service that is specifically for members to get in touch with one another.

What I think is important is that these new political and campaigning aspects of MN should not be represented as the 'voice' of MN, and that MN itself should not be represented as a political actor. Because the reality is that the vocally political element of MN is just one aspect of an increasingly large and diverse usership. I would prefer it if these new political aspects of MN had their own well-signalled space and identity on the site.

That way, structures could be developed to make sure that when MNHQ purported to speak for a politically engaged usership they were clearly speaking for all and only those members of the site (a site too big and fractured now to be called a community) who had expressed an interest in political engagement.

MN's primary purpose is support by parents for parents, and this isn't always best given on a forum that is hitting the papers every day. And for many of use it is just a quirky and refreshingly frank place to talk -- private, not in the sense of being confidential (which it clearly isn't) but in the sense of being an autonomous space that exists for its members, not as a resource for outside interests. We expect to be overheard if we talk loudly in a pub. We don't expect the landlord to encourage the world to come in and sit around us with notepads.

splodge2001 · 07/12/2009 11:34

To all those who say they don't like what it' becoming, well change it if you don't like it!!!!

Personally, whilst I'm disappointed that despite the media glare, Riven has not heard from David Cameron I think that It won't take too much to get him back on track. Perhaps 20 AIBUs about the nappies?? Or we could all email him? There is so much power here....

TheShriekingHarpy · 07/12/2009 11:36

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Oblomov · 07/12/2009 11:40

Deadworm, you seem like a woman who knows. Thanks for your post. I was wondering how I had got so out of touch with how it is now. Was I away on my PN thread. But then I do remember the DM discussions. I feel like you. Is that where it went wrong, for me ?
Maybe if this is the direction that MN is going, we need to seperate at this stage. Into those that want it, and those that want more old school. Oh happy times.
I don't want to see what I have posted in the papers, thanks very much. Maybe i am naieve to think that this is possible though. Probably.

Oblomov · 07/12/2009 11:41

splodge, how can we change it ?

splodge2001 · 07/12/2009 11:46

by posting stuff you want to talk about!

Mumsnet isn't an institution it's the sum of the stuff that's on here at any particular time. It can't be censored or contained and for that it is brilliant...

smallwhitecat · 07/12/2009 11:48

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ButterySprouts · 07/12/2009 11:52

I must have missed that bit in the convo - did someone actually ask him that?

My friend has recently had a tough time over TTC and MC and whereas in the past i would have recommended MN to her immediately i found myself thinking twice about mentioning it. And i'm not sure why.....

Oblomov · 07/12/2009 12:01

splodge, I have always posted what I want to.
But other decsions , are being made that affect the site, and posters have no control over.
So the Dm column, or allowing our posts to be used, or taking the site in the direction of political ....
I don't want any of that. But I can't change, becasue I have no power.
And what I post, does not affect that in the slightest.

Oblomov predicts change. You watch.

Mn is being taken in a direction that posters don't want. Me, that is
A new site needs to be set up for us ( me !!) and another for those that want to utilise it is a different way.

ButterySprouts · 07/12/2009 12:03

MumsNeutrals?

daftpunk · 07/12/2009 12:18

Deadworm;

it's only political atm because there is an election coming up.....i don't think MN is political at all really....the threads on MN are 90% parenting/aibu/Xfactor...etc etc...

women are allowed to vote you know....it's good that we are taken seriously

Deadworm · 07/12/2009 12:47

Agree that MN isn't essentially political. And I'm as interested in political discussions that are here as anyone. I only think that MNHQ courting of politician and media interest has to be undertaken with care, to preserve an acknowledgement that political discussion is only one aspect of a very diverse site; to avoid cultivating a too-intensive press interest in the talkboard as a whole; and to avoid the danger that there will be an MNHQ-inspired agenda that claims to speak for MN as a whole but that lacks adequate mechanisms for doing so on the basis of fair consultation.

There would be a lot of scope for a site-within-the-site in which political involvement and campaigning was actively pursued. Some important campaining objectives might be achieved; politicians would get their electioneering opportunities journos would get their soundbites; MNHQ would get the publicity it wants; and the quiet conversations of those who would prefer not to be involved could carry on in an environment where press plunderings were discouraged.