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To think that a Jaffa cake isnt really a biscuit?

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MarioChristmas · 04/12/2009 18:32

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hohoholepew · 04/12/2009 18:33

It's not a cake either, more a wee bun.

GoddessRidingSantasSleigh · 04/12/2009 18:35

a bun?? wow! now there's a new side to the arguement

i'm totally undecided on jaffa cakes my mind boggles when i try to decide so i don't know!

tethersend · 04/12/2009 18:37

"Under UK law, no Value Added Tax (VAT) is charged on biscuits and cakes ? they are "zero rated". Chocolate covered biscuits, however, are subject to VAT, currently 15%. McVities classed its Jaffa Cakes as cakes, but in 1991, this was challenged by Her Majesty's Customs and Excise and the case ended up before the courts.[5] This may have been because Jaffa Cakes are about the same size and shape as some types of biscuit, and particularly because they are commonly eaten alongside, or instead of, traditional biscuits. A question that the court asked itself was "what criteria should be used to class something as a cake?"
McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes, producing a 12" (30 cm) Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes.[6]
McVities argued that a distinction between cakes and biscuits is, among other things, that biscuits would normally be expected to go soft when stale, whereas cakes would normally be expected to go hard. It was demonstrated to the Tribunal that Jaffa Cakes become hard when stale. Other factors taken into account by the Chairman, Potter QC, included the name, ingredients, texture, size, packaging, marketing, presentation, appeal to children, and manufacturing process. Potter ruled that the Jaffa Cake is a cake. McVities therefore won the case and VAT is not paid on Jaffa Cakes.[7]"

Hope that clears things up

MarioChristmas · 04/12/2009 18:38

Its all about softness, biscuits are not soft, but then jaffacakes are too hard to be a cake.

I think Jaffa Cakes are a sweet anomaly!

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MarioChristmas · 04/12/2009 18:40

XP tethersend - Wow

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slushy06 · 04/12/2009 18:42

Yay I have not used that yet. It has to be a cake my favorite treat.

MrsChemist · 04/12/2009 18:42

MY DH (then boyfriend) made me a dinner plate sized jaffa cake for my 17th birthday.

Those were the days.

GoddessRidingSantasSleigh · 04/12/2009 18:46

its a cake!!!!!! thankyou tethersend i can now win the ongoing arguement in my pub (and look very very clever at the same time!)

GoddessRidingSantasSleigh · 04/12/2009 18:47

cakes go hard biscuits go soft!! simples

figrollinthehay · 04/12/2009 20:01

Then I think Ed Miliband should be recalled as he clearly answered a question incorrectly!

Goober · 04/12/2009 20:04

When we get the christmas emoticons up and running will the be a mince pie?

As you were....

Jux · 04/12/2009 20:10

How about gingerbreadmen? They're not really biscuits, but nor are they cakes. They don't work well as bread, either.

Goober · 04/12/2009 20:16

SHORTBREAD!!!
Yay!

MarioChristmas · 04/12/2009 22:28

But Gingerbread men are like gingernuts, only harder no?

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JackTheHallsWithBauersOfHolly · 04/12/2009 22:32

Oh god.

Do you know how many bored pissed students used to call me on the VAT advice line and ask this (while sniggering)

Well, lots.

ShepherdsWashedTheirLocks · 04/12/2009 22:42

The Jaffa would fail the dunking test - therefore cake. S'obvious.

hormonesnomore · 04/12/2009 22:45

For MrsChemist

pooexplosions · 04/12/2009 22:46

the clues in the name though, innit? Its a Jaffa cake. And its soft and cakey.

But they are good for dunking.....

thisisyesterday · 04/12/2009 22:52

they clearly are cakes, as you say the clue is in the name

but i think confusion arises from them being placed on sale in the biscuit aisle instead of the cake aisle.

what's with that???

VoidofDiscovery · 04/12/2009 23:01

They are an entity of loveliness unto themselves .

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