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to want my mum to take a back seat?

25 replies

garvbuck · 30/11/2009 13:12

I have not even come off the pill yet, though my husband and I are just waiting for me to qualify for full maternity rights at work and then we will start trying. But my mum, who lives a couple of hours away, has given up a place at university so that she can be around to look after my children when they are born. She did this without even talking to me, and to the detriment of her own career. She constantly tells me that I won't be able to work when they're born and that if I do it will be wrong for me to leave them with 'strangers' (i.e. using any form of childcare that isn't her). She smacks and shouts and threatens when she is angry, none of which I wish to do with my children. My views on discipline and behaviour are very different from hers. But she takes it extremely personally if I disagree with her over any thing - any tiny little issue at all, from what music I like to how I feel about my step-mother (as in, I don't think she's a complete bitch). Now she's looking at houses in my area because she wants to move up. It's not that I don't want her help - it's just that I don't want her taking over and making me feel that I have to bring up my children her way, and that I don't think this level of control is healthy. I like it that there are two hours between us! We have a good relationship most of the time but underlying it all is her desire to control me - a desire that she will never admit to, and which is a product of her insecurity that I will form other, stronger relationships with other people. I can't tell her not to move near me or she will be devastated forever and our relationship will never recover. I just don't know what to do.

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Devendra · 30/11/2009 13:15

Um.. tell her not to move. She sounds like a nightmare and to be honest if she is on your doorstep there will be no getting away from her. She is an adult and will just have to deal with you telling her to back off a bit.

Kaloki · 30/11/2009 13:16

I have no advice, but lots of sympathy!

barnpotsmum · 30/11/2009 13:19

Be prepared to move house if she moves near you - preferably 2 hours away again. She sounds horrendous.

barnpotsmum · 30/11/2009 13:20

Be prepared to move house if she moves near you - preferably 2 hours away again. She sounds horrendous.

PerArduaAdSolInvictus · 30/11/2009 13:24

How about telling her that she's not allowed to move closer to you, because you'd be so guilty that she's given up her university place that you couldn't bring yourself to see her? You'd never ever forgive yourself if you felt that she was giving up her own career for you, and you can't see any way round this.

Oh, and you're a bit worried about your fertility following x or y, so she's to please stop putting pressure on you (if that one doesn't feel too much like tempting fate)

Any of those strategies work?

MillyMollyMoo · 30/11/2009 13:25

Australia is a lovely place to bring up a family ...... run for it !!!

fillybuster · 30/11/2009 13:27

I understand why you cant tell her not to move, but you can (I think) do the following:

  1. Make it clear that you are not currently pregnant and may not be for some time - and remind her that babies take 9 months to arrive. Perhaps she should take up her uni place and put it on hold if she wants to later?
  1. Make it clear that she will never be your choice of full time or part time permanent childcare for your children as/when you do have any: obviously she will have 'normal' gp access (and stress you will be delighted about this) but she will not be your replacement cm/nanny/mother in any circumstances. I think you need to make this very very explicit.
  1. Explain that you may (or may not) work full or part time after you have your dcs one day. She is welcome to her opinion on this but you do not want to hear it and it will not affect your decision.
  1. Enlist the help of your dh early!
  1. Good luck
garvbuck · 30/11/2009 13:28

Thank you for your advice! Barnpotsmum, that's funny - that has actually crossed my mind! Hadn't thought of Australia, though! My mum is actually a lovely person apart from this insecurity/control thing, which makes it all the harder because I know deep down she only has the best intentions. If she read my post she wouldn't recognise herself- she'd think that woman sounds horrendous too!

I've been thinking of using the kinds of tactics/strategies that PerArduaAdSolInvictus recommends - I have told her before that because of my job I could have to move in the future (which is true) and that she would have to be aware of that before she moved, and I have also told her that I would never expect her or anybody else to give up their own lives to look after my children. But she just gets really angry and upset, or finds another strategy. But I think you're all right - I have to bite the bullet and be brave.

I just hope my children aren't posting stuff like this about me one day...

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garvbuck · 30/11/2009 13:30

Fillybuster - you're right. She will never be my choice of permanent childcare but I would be delighted for her to have normal access, etc. I guess I have to learn to be brave because that's what it takes to be a parent. But it's scary! Thank you so much for that advice - it helps clarify it in my mind.

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Glob · 30/11/2009 13:31

You could say you are not sure how long you are going to stay there..were maybe thinking about a change in the next few years and wouldn't want her to move up only for you to move away (or for you to feel compelled to stay if she is living there). Or just keep mentioning "if we are still living here in a few years time" until she gets the message.
Also you could air your views that you would quite like your kids to be amongst other kids in a nursery setting as you have heard how much they get out of that kind of environment.

I don't envy you, it sounds like a very ackward situation but probably best to say something now.

Glob · 30/11/2009 13:32

oops, cross posting. sorry.

meltedchocolate · 30/11/2009 13:34

garvbuck you could easily be me talking about my Dad.

I have to warn you that i am finding the extreme involvement of my family very dificult. When i told them i didnt want to smack DS i got so many raised eyebrows. Things became very difficult for DH, as he felt he was married to my dad's daughter rather than his wife iyswim?

I would encourage you to sort it out now, as i am now in a position where there is only so much i can do. They also will never let me move like i really want with out a lot of hastle and anger/upset.

Sort it NOW!

You sound like me. You dont wanna hurt anyones feelings so try not to too much but start going along with things that you perhaps wouldnt otherwise??

If that is the case PLEASE be stern with your mother. Talk to her straight about it. If it causes problems in the future you know she was not thinking of you and you can be satisfied that you were not in the wrong.

capstock · 30/11/2009 13:36

Not joking at all, move house so she can't come round every day and you can visit at the weekend once a month or whatever if you like. You have to put your marriage and family first and it sounds like she would put quite a strain on it.

That said, you may find that once you have a baby, she just falls in love with him or her and sees you doing a good job and backs off. My MIL was not as full-on as you describe your mum being but she was full of opinions and advice during pregnancy and when the baby arrived everything changed.

BlingLoving · 30/11/2009 13:38

Right. your mother's actions have nothing to do with you - but she is wanting you to believe that they do she probably wants to believe that herself too). Anyone who gives up a career when there is absolutely no clarity or confirmed liklihood of being a gp is clearly operating on a different planet. Even if you were planning on asking your mum to be the main carer for your children, for her to make this kind of plan when you aren't even TRYING yet is crazy. So I'd guess that for her own reasons, she doesn't want to carry on with her career/course and she's using you and your potential DC as an excuse.

You can't' change her or her behaviour, but you can change your response. I'd advise you to calmly and firmly tell her that for her to change her life now on behalf of children you don't have is not something you will take responsibility for her. When she starts to say things like "I'm bored as I'm not working any more" or "I don't have any money any more" or whatever it might be, remind her that was her decision and entirely not your problem.

Good luck. I haven't had anything like this specifically, but I do have a mum who makes these kind of decisions and statements and then is surprised when we don't fall into whatever convoluted plan she has in her head really.

garvbuck · 30/11/2009 13:53

BlingLoving, thank you. It is hard drawing that line between being responsible for my own actions and trying to change hers, but I thoroughly agree that it is necessary to keep that line firmly in mind.

Capstock - that's really reassuring. I don't think I should proceed on the plan that she will eventually just get it, but it is nice to know that it could happen! Theoretically at least she may learn to see me as an adult when/if I'm a parent myself. As lots of you have reminded me, it really is an 'if' at this stage - who knows how long it could take or if we will be lucky enough for it to actually happen.

And meltedchocolate - goodness me, I really sympathise. It sounds like you have to put your foot down, too. This is the first time I have posted on these boards and I am so heartened by the response - it is nice to find reassurance and advice, even when you know it is already true. I have to be strong, I guess - and so do you! If you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're going about it in as fair and dignified a manner as possible, it really isn't your fault if people take offence. Easier said than done, though, I know. Good luck with your dad.

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meltedchocolate · 30/11/2009 14:11

You too garv and welcome btw. Yes i realised after i had posted that i was answering my own problem too

LimburgseVlaai · 30/11/2009 14:12

Oof, your mother sounds like a bunny boiler! Crazy behaviour when you haven't even started trying yet, and you don't even know whether (and when) you will get pregnant - because it's not a given...

That would be my first argument: it may take over a year ttc, then over nine months of being pregnant - in those two years your mother could have got two thirds of the way through her degree course. With any luck she will meet a man during that time so she'll turn her attentions to him .

If, after telling her about the timescales, she still insists on moving nearer, then Australia sounds like a good option. With a bit of luck she won't get enough points to follow you there, especially without that degree.

CirrhosisByTheSea · 30/11/2009 14:53

when you are a mum, it will be easier I think to speak up; because it won't be for you, but for your child. I have found it easy to speak up since my ds was born - I would give anything to protect him. Am sure you will be the same - the lioness/cub thing! Which isn't to say it might not be upsetting for you and your mum if she is trying to take over - but you will have the strength, is what I'm saying.

CirrhosisByTheSea · 30/11/2009 14:54

oh, and the uni thing - her choice. Any one with half a brain cell knows it is going to take time for her to be a grandmother; for some reason, other than that alone, she wants to give it a miss. In my opinion. So don't let her say that was ALL for your benefit!

TheCrackFox · 30/11/2009 15:11

She sounds like a nut case - it could take you 6-12months to conceive, 9 months pregnancy and then 12 months maternity leave. She could have practically finished her degree by then.

You need to have a serious chat now and establish some boundaries. She cannot live her life through a not even conceived GC.

garvbuck · 30/11/2009 15:20

She is a nut case! Thanks Cirrhosisbythesea - that has crossed my mind, too.

She has a man already. He's lovely and supportive, but he's too scared to speak up too!

I'm going to find a way to talk to her. I don't want to lose her because like I said, aside from this mental behaviour (when she's relaxed and not stressing) she is a kind person and was absolutely a kind and loving (if overbearing) mother to me when I was growing up. But if I don't speak up and be strong it could get to the point where I just have to cut her out. And nobody wants that.

Thank you SO much everybody

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ProfYaffle · 30/11/2009 15:29

Oh Lordy, she sounds like my parents. I broke the news to my Dad that, no, I would not sell my house, pool the proceeds with those my parents and my elderly grandad raised from the sale of their houses (Grandad had no clue he was part of this plan btw) and all 4 generations of us move into one vast house altogether, he took the huff and refused to speak to me for about a month.

Start making boundaries now. ime when/if your baby's born she'll get much worse but will calm down over time. My eldest daughter is 5.5 and my parents are kind of getting back to normal now.

garvbuck · 30/11/2009 18:38

Woah ProfYaffle that sounds crazy! I hope my mum never gets talking to your dad ... if they put their heads together they could rule the world!

Planning out the boundary fences now...

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diddl · 30/11/2009 18:49

Have you even told her that you are TTC?

Whatever she does, you do not have to visit her/let her visit you or use her as childcare!

2rebecca · 30/11/2009 20:40

I don't believe anyone would give up a degree course for a nonexistent baby. It sounds like a feeble excuse for giving up to me and she couldn't cope with the work/ went off the idea etc.
Sounds like yet another mumsnet relative that you should see less of and just get on with your life and leave her to hers.
Why is upsetting her so awful, you say if you tell her you need some space and don't want her moving near the relationship will be damaged, but if she moves near the relationship will be damaged anyway. At lest if she doesn't move near you get what you want.
I'd try and persuade her to keep away and look at her own life rather than yours. You could also mention how you're maybe thinking of moving soon so there's no point her moving.
Being an adult involves sometimes upsetting your parents and living your life your way not their way.
She can only "constantly" tell you this that and the other if you let her. Communicate with her less and go out more.

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