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to worry about incident in school toilet

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newnameneededforthis · 30/11/2009 10:40

Have name changed as not sure if my details plus incident in school toilet would be identifiable....

My daughter is in year 4 at a local state junior school. She has slight developmental delay - I would consider her to be a little "vulnerable". Also due to many toilet accidents has permission to go during class at any time.

On Friday she said she had been in the toilets sometime in the afternoon after lunch and someone had written all over one of the toilet cubicle walls. IN POO. She told someone and the teachers closed the toilets so they could be cleaned. Girls were told to use the disabled toilet in the meantime. And in assembly the incident was spoken about to all the children who were told how unacceptable it was etc. They were also told that this was the second such incident like this - although the first incident had not previously been mentioned.

I thought (though I have not said anything) that such an act from a junior child is extreme and possibly there is a very disturbed child/person in the school going into the toilets to do this. I dont think it can be usual to use poo to write on walls

Or am I unenlightened and is this a common act of rebellion and I should not get overly bothered. Should I be worried about DD going into the toilets on her own for example? Would appreciate any views on whether the school should be doing anything more or if it is just one of those things that happen. (Am dreading secondary school if this goes on in primary).

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Ixia · 30/11/2009 12:25

This is one of my main memories of the infants in primary school. Someone wrote in the loos in poo, we were all rounded up and made to sit in silence for ages until some one confessed in front of everybody (this was 35yrs ago). No idea of what lead to the incident, but it was totally out of character for the girl in question (and she's now a GP).

Horrible of the school to deal with it in that way as I bet I'm not the only one to remember it 35yrs on.

bellissima · 30/11/2009 12:47

Agree with the others. when I read that your DD was vulnerable I thought oh no someone has approached her or something - now that would be very worrying. What you describe is extremely yuk but (by the sound of it!!) v common. and well done her for reporting it.

BrokenArm · 30/11/2009 12:58

Toilets in Italy.
Especially mid-priced restaurant toilets.
How a culture can be so obsessed with what they wear but let their public conveniences get into such a state.
Really -- .

chloe2910 · 30/11/2009 13:40

I have a friend with two lovely, well balanced children (a boy and a girl) who are now in their 20's. As very young children (under 4)they were both (obviously unbeknown to her) sexually abused by their father.
She once told me that as a very young child the boy used to smear his poo over the walls, and this was confirmed by a phsychiatrist as common behaviour in children who have been abused in that manner.
Your post just reminded me of that, and how perhaps these actions can be symptomatic of something far more serious.

newnameneededforthis · 30/11/2009 13:44

This is where I have found MN very useful in setting me straight - so thanks for the replies and I will stop worrying (well not too much).

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reservejudgement · 30/11/2009 13:49

Sassy, as Peachy says, if only.

My ds1 badly needs a fulltime SNA as he is highly disorganised and has difficulty getting from class to class, having books ready etc. Funds are not available for this so he goes largely unsupervised. The children in his school who have full time SNAs have either haemophilia or moderate to severe autism. I'm in Ireland but I believe it's just as bad in the UK.

newnameneededforthis · 30/11/2009 13:53

Chloe I wrote my reply before I read yours - sad to hear of your friend's son's experience.

I guess that whoever does these things as a child might need help for whatever reason but I will have to leave it to the school.

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madamearcati · 30/11/2009 14:07

We had a similar menstrual blood incident at a place I worked - a very large accounts office employing lots of women.Blood all over the floor and bloody handprints on the cubicle walls.the management took the view that someone had been 'caught short' and couldn't clean up adequately with the toilet roll available.In future they left a supply of cleaning materials in each cubicle.
Sadly smearing poo is a thing many young children do at one time or another

maryz · 30/11/2009 16:22

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Morloth · 30/11/2009 16:28

LOL maryz I love kids who start little revolutions!

itsmeolord · 30/11/2009 16:34

DSD used to poo smear, she had behavioural problems, she wasn't a danger to anyone.

Its common. Not pleasant but common.

purplepeony · 30/11/2009 16:47

I can remember this being done when I was at school - 30/40 years back, so i wouldn't be too alarmed. it is revolting, but it's life.

Ronaldinhio · 30/11/2009 16:51

sounds par for the course I remeber that sort of thing from my school
I wouldn't worry...did they tell the parents or did your dd tell you
What does she think or is a non issue for her?

ADealingMummy · 30/11/2009 17:52

Something similar happened at my school 20 years ago.

I used to work at a leading investment bank , and a female employee smeared (period)blood all over the toilet wall .

abbierhodes · 30/11/2009 18:19

We had several incidents of someone pooing on the floor next to the toilet, in the ladies toilets. And I work in a school.

victoriascrumptious · 30/11/2009 18:55

I used to work for a large recruitment company in London-someone poo'd all around the toilet seat in little dollops as if they were icing a cake.

Also in junior school we had someone who liked to paint the walls with shit too.

I'd be interested to know whether this is a known psycological condition and whether it has a name

Sassybeast · 30/11/2009 19:02

Op - looks like you needn't have worried about being identified from your post - seems like it's the done thing I am almost feeling left out at having never experienced this charming custom

Ladyanonymous · 30/11/2009 19:13

I thought I was pretty worldy wise but I am utterly shocked at the amount of adult shit/blood smearers there are across workplaces in the UK...what the fuck is wrong with people?!

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 01/12/2009 16:25

"The practice of smearing feces is clinically known as scatolia"

www.poopreport.com/BMnewswire/flung_poo.html

MintyCandyCane · 01/12/2009 16:35

At my secondary school someone used to hang used tampons from toilet chains. I still find it upsetting to think about now.

MadamDeathstare · 01/12/2009 16:45

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TheInvisibleManDidIt · 01/12/2009 16:46

I used to work for a international distribution company. On several occasions when unloading the 40ft units the warehouse staff would find faeces in them. Disgusting.

Dh worked as a manager for the same company and went into the mens toilets one day after someone complained of the state of them to find someone had shit over the closed toilet seat and wiped it over the toilet wall.

Neither or us work there anymore!!

As for the school toilets- it's happened at my ds's school too. I think it is quite common sadly.

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