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to book into a hotel for 2 nights ...

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LastStraw · 23/11/2009 18:50

Here's the story. I admit that I've namechanged for this.

My DS is 7mo. Since he was born, the longest stretch of continuous sleep I've had is 2 hours. He wakes up several times at night (at least 5 times between the hours of 9pm and 7am) and naps for no more than 1.5 hours during the day since he was 1mo. No, turning 3mo didn't help, nor has weaning, nor has formula. I finally moved him into our bed as getting up to traipse back and forth between our room and his nursery to breastfeed him just got too difficult. I'm completely exhausted and my H knows this. He works in a job which, by his own admission, isn't demanding at all. He also goes to the gym every morning before work. He has taken DS off my hands on a number of mornings so I can have an uninterrupted 40 mins or so of sleep and has skipped out on the gym (after much sighing and general faffing).

Last night, I got DS into bed at 7.15PM and figured he would sleep for at least 3 hours, thus giving me time to get on with a backload of housework. In fact, he woke up at 7:50PM and didn't fall asleep until 10:45PM, during which time he cried constantly. My H helped me try to settle him from 7:50 till 8:30, during which time I was doing the laundry, washing up etc. H gave up, and I took over, finally getting him to sleep at 10:45. During that time, I had to ask H to sort out our filthy bedding by changing the linen which I'd washed and dried earlier.

After DS finally fell asleep, I started running around, doing the ironing, more washing up, cleaning the floors, folding clean laundry. I hadn't had anything to eat since 12 noon earlier that day. My H sat around surfing porn the internet and finally got up to go to bed at 11:50PM. Not once did he ask if I needed help with anything or make any attempt to put away laundry, dishes etc.

I finally grabbed some dinner at midnight and got into bed for 1AM, only for DS to wake up at 1:30, 3:30, 5 and finally 6:30. I had a total of 2 hours sleep the entire night. At 6:50, H took DS to change his night nappy and, despite knowing what a rough night I'd had, got ready to go to the gym. A few choice swear words were thrown at him and he finally slammed out the door at 7.

I don't have any family nearby (both parents are dead, his only living parent is across the Pond). I have had DS spending 3 hours a day at a childminder's, but most of that time is taken up with housework, preparing "lunch" (breakfast, more like!), having a chance to go to the loo, pumping breastmilk etc, so much so that it's over so quickly and I've barely had time to catch my breath.

Given that, in 7 months (actually, make that 9 months, considering the numerous toilet breaks I woke up to in my final 2 months of pregnancy), the longest stretch of continuous sleep I've had is 2 hours, AIBU to book into a hotel for the next two nights and let H deal with DS so he knows just how little sleep/rest I get and can perhaps alter his lifestyle to suit the fact that we (not I, WE) now have a demanding baby? DS is breastfed but will accept formula (from anyone other than me!). I'm barely getting by, have developed RSI from having to carry DS round a lot of the time (he's rather clingy!) and now have a constant physical twitch in my left eye (this usually happens when I've had very little sleep). I don't think asking him to forgo the gym, at least until DS sleeps better at night, is that much of a hardship - his view, however, is that he will not stop going to the gym. Then again, any rational thinking skills I once possessed have probably been flung out of the window by sheer exhaustion.

So, AIBU?

OP posts:
EightiesChick · 23/11/2009 21:17

The hotel plan sounds great (to me too, with a 10 mo) but it'll be lot harder than you imagine to leave your DS for 2 nights, especially when your H is going to be at a loss to deal with him, from the sound of it.

We use the pattern I saw on here a while back of alternating lie-ins on a weekend; I get up with DS on Saturdays and DH gets a lie in, then on Sunday it's my turn. So get that going for starters. It's amazing how even one day of more sleep makes you feel more human.

Personally, I would stop doing the housework, bar the bare minimum. Just stop. By doing it all, you are preventing your H seeing the problem. You may have to live in a tip for a while to allow the point to be made, but it's worth it. Seriously lower your standards.

How about a change of arrangement with the gyym, rather than 'banning' it? Couldn't he go straight after work, or later in the evening once you have put your DS to bed, so that he's there when DS is asleep and you can get some sleep of your own both then and in the morning? (Don't do housework!)

ImSoNotTelling · 23/11/2009 21:20

Oh dear you must be worn out. My DD1 slept very well but my DD2, she seemed to be following the same pattern but in the last couple of weeks has gone backwards. Waking every 2 hours and there's a toddler to look after.

I wolnd't be able to manage if it wasn't for DH. I BF so do all the night stuff, but whenever he is around in the mornings (he works shifts) he gets the kids up and lets me sleep, he just brings the baby when she needs feeding and then takes her away again. Often til about 10.30 or 11 and it keeps me sane.

You need to TELL your DH what you need and not expect him to just know. Explain to him how exhasted you are, that sleep deprivation makes people depressed and unable to function. After a couple of bad nights I know that I am like a zombie, it's awful.

He needs to do the right thing and pull his weight.

PLus yes you don't need to get all the housework done, and FGS sleep while your DC is at CM. If you can't sleep then lie on the sofa and doze - there are no prizes for getting all the ironing done. What you need is rest, it will benefit your whole family.

I hope you can get your DH to pull his socks up. Am always at how little help some OHs give.

Good luck

ImSoNotTelling · 23/11/2009 21:22

You can't go away for 2 nights anyway if you're BF surely, not without pretty much weaning down to maybe 1 feed a day. Your breasts will kill you if you stop feeding all of a sudden.

Mishy1234 · 23/11/2009 21:45

I agree that a cleaner in addition to the childminder would be the best way forward. If that's not feasible, I think a cleaner would give you more rest tbh.

Night feeds can be exhausting, especially when they're 2hrs apart. If you're using formula as well, I wonder if your DS is feeding at night frequently in order to build up/maintain supply if it's dipped a bit?

Whatever the reason for the frequent night wakings, you have to have a break. If you think you'll be able to relax and get some rest with a night in a hotel I'd go for it. Just take a breast pump with you in case you become uncomfortable. What about a spa day and then an overnight stay rather than 2 nights?

carrieboo75 · 23/11/2009 21:48

You are doing too much.

I had 3 under 3 1/2 and youngest did not sleep through until 3 years old, so 6 1/2 years of broken nights. what got me through it was; doing the bear minimum house work, quit ironing, wear clothes that do not need ironing and if hubby wants a work shirt he can do it him self, have a toy corner and bundle all the toys there instead of properly putting them away each day etc.; Take turns for lay in at the weekend, you Sat hubby Sun; when ever child is not in the house sleep or sit on your bottom and do not move, unless geting a cup of tea/magazine.

He will sleep eventually, but it could take a while, so you need to put things into place to help you go the distance.

Some men help out some don't and I don't think there is much you can do about it. Mine was always great with the children but useless around the house. Now he is much better and really helps at the weekend with the cooking and a bit of tidying and laundry but it has been along time coming.

As has already been said at his age he does not need feeding at night. If you can't face going cold turkey, then first switch night feed to formula then each night or so remove one scoop of formula to the same amount of water until it is just water, by this point he should of decided he can not be bothered to wake up so much if he is only being offered water.

You also need to get out for the odd evening, call around your friends and make some plans, both for girls nights and for nights out with hubby. Leaving your son with a baby sister will also send him the message that it is not worth him getting up so much as you are not there to give him the attention.

You may be able to come up with a thousand reasons as to why you can't do these things, but for your sanity you need to. Hubby and son will also appreciate having a more revived you.

Godd luck in your quest to slow down .

PlanetEarth · 23/11/2009 23:17

Personally I don't agree with those who say he "has a right to go to the gym". New babies can be tough, you don't seem to have a life outside looking after the kids, why should he have a life ? Seriously though, hobbies are all very well but surely you and his kids should come first, especially when you're struggling so badly.

MrsDucky · 24/11/2009 07:27

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NancyBotwin · 24/11/2009 10:18

Op, saw this earlier but didn't have time to post....

Tbh I think you are making things harder for yourself in some ways. WTF were you doing staying up till 1am? You need to go to bed much earlier to have any chance of staying sane. Yes the baby will still wake up every few hours but if you had gone to bed when he fell asleep at 10.45 you would have had an extra 2 hours sleep. I would never have believed I would now be in bed every night at 10pm before kids but I make myself do it or else I cannot function the next day. So what if the washing up is not done? much easier to face it in the morning if you had enough sleep the night before.

It also sounds like you are possibly a bit obsessed with housework. I agree with Morloth that one hour a day tops is what you should aim for. How much mess can a baby be making? If you are cleaning this much now, how are you going to cope with a toddler? My mother (who has low standards admittedly!) always said that the women who are very house-proud are the ones who find it hardest to cope with the changes a new baby brings.

Stop ironing. The only things that get ironed regularly in this house are dh's work shirts and he does them himself.

You need to eat more regularly. You say you didn't eat until midnight - what about your dh - did he not eat either?? It only takes a few minutes to cook some pasta and heat up some ready-made sauce for example. Obviously you don't want to do that long term but you need to do what you have to to get by now.

Is your ds crawling yet? I found that babies were often most demanding just before they crawled as they were frustrated by not being able to move by themselves. Invest in something like a door bouncer to keep him occupied for 20 minutes or so while you have lunch/go to the toilet/whatever.

Have you tried to do some activity with him late afternoon to help tire him out (eg swimming)?

I can see why your dh swanning off to the gym is the last straw but you need to focus on what you can do to prevent everything getting on top of you, rather than this "final straw" And i don't think going off to a hotel will necessarily fix things - yes you will get some sleep but you will probably come back to find that your dh and ds have had a lovely relaxing time because your dh will not have bothered to do any housework....

Bubbaluv · 24/11/2009 11:29

MrsDucky,
All I can say is the proof is in the pudding.
They wake and feed because that's wahat they are used to and many parents are happy to "feed" the habit. But they do NOT need it.
Lots of babies sleep though from 7 weeks let alone 7 months and are completely fine. It's aall a matter of setting a pattern, and if they don't set a good pattern themselves then hey can be assisted.
The OP is obviously in need of a change from the staus quo and I can speak from expereince that things can improve.

LastStraw · 24/11/2009 14:20

Sorry for not coming back to this earlier.

Well, (now D)H and I had a long talk yesterday evening about this. We decided that I should try sleeping in the spare room and DH could bring DS in to me for feeding if he woke up and nothing else could settle him.

So, fed DS at 10:45 and jumped into bed pretty soon after. Found it hard to sleep though and kept waking up (possibly because my body's now used to being woken up regularly), so a hotel probably wouldn't have helped either. However, DS slept from 10:45 till 4:30AM, woke up intermittently from then on and DH finally brought him in for a feed at 5:30AM when he wouldn't go back to sleep. Result! That's the longest time he's gone without a feed since he was born. So it's entirely possible he wakes up, sees me there and decides he wants to be fed to sleep (as opposed to him actually being hungry) and if I'm not there, he's happy to go back to sleep. I honestly feel a bit stupid at not having tried this earlier.

Have decided that I will stay in the spare room a few more nights and see if this new pattern continues and, hopefully, I can train myself to actually sleep through the night. Despite waking up several times, I still feel better this morning than I've done in ages!

Yes, I know I really need to be less obsessed with cleaning, but I think as everything's been so up in the air since DS was born, that was my way of trying to retain a semblance of being somewhat organised. I shall try my best to be as slovenly as possible a bit more relaxed about things. To be fair to DH, he does help me out with DS on weekends , especially in the mornings, but as DS feeds rather frequently and seems to like the comfort of being fed to sleep, he still needs to be brought to me to feed quite a few times. Plus, I swear I keep hearing him crying, even when he's not (last night being a prime example).

So, no hotels (for now!)

OP posts:
carrieboo75 · 24/11/2009 19:16

Glad to hear it is getting better

bigchris · 24/11/2009 19:26

you could ask dh to either pay for a cleaner or cut down on the gym, or give up the gym, pound the pavements and money saved can pay for the cleaner

bigchris · 24/11/2009 19:26

or stop sending baby to chiuldminder and with money pay for a cleaner, is it 3 hours every day?

monkeyfacegrace · 24/11/2009 22:55

shit just read what Id typed last night in a drunken haze and realised I sounded like a twunt and my info was no help to anyone

NancyBotwin · 25/11/2009 17:00

LastStraw, your latest post has just reminded me that I moved all my dcs into their own room at about 6 months old - because I started to feel that being in the same room we woke each other up, iyswim. I would often wake when the baby was still asleep because I was used to being woken and then felt that the baby somehow sensed I was awake and woke up (hope that makes sense!)

I think babies do need to learn to settle themselves and perhaps if your ds was in his own room you wouldn't wake every time he made a murmer and he might settle back until he was really hungry?

Bubbaluv · 26/11/2009 20:48

Fabulous news LastStraw - I swear you will really be surprised at how quickly things improve once food stops being offered as an insentive for night wakings. If you think about it, food is a very effective training tool for even for dogs and other animals. Give them food and they will repeat the behaviour you are rewarding, so give a baby food every time they wake in the night and guess what...
Am now waiting for MrsDucky to come back and apologise.
Dangerous my arse!!!

rupert22 · 27/11/2009 11:20

Never mind a hotel, i would get a divorce lawyer if i were you. What a selfish man he is.

I was sleep deprived with ds, exact same as you and my dh booked the room for me. Just one night in the hotel, curtains drawn, room service and a long soak before uninteruppted sleep for twelve hours........Bliss.

I ended up really thin and am sure its what caused my thyroid to over react. You need all the help he can give right now, demand it girl.

Gym indeed!

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