...use my kitchen, my livingroom and my bathroom (actually, a shower room upstairs that I don't venture into), they should take some part in cleaning up after themselves? >>goes to tackle pile of dirty crockery currently soaking in kitchen sink<< And, yes, I do expect the boys to muck in too. It just seems to me that with six adult human beings living upstairs, it should be a damn sight cleaner than it is. ^When^ do they leave home these days?