To discover a really experienced child minder charges half what my Bulgarian cleaner does....

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I mean £8 an hour for the latter, 25 years old.
£4 for the former who I understand has nursery qualifications as well.

It just seems surprising. I guess the CM can have a bunch of kids at once but still, seems wrong somehow!

Diddl, a c/m might get a baby/child that is 'easy' to care for or 'difficult' to care for. Should c/m charge different rates depending on temperament of the child?

I would think there are some cleaning jobs that are easier or more difficult than others.

I'd also say that yes, there would be more to dust and vacuum if more people are around.

The point is that no-one employs a cleaner for 40 hours a week, and your cleaner cannot also clean several other houses at the same time.

Can I just factor in that CMs do clean, a lot (unless that childminder was to hire a cleaner that is). We also cook, entertain, paperwork, taxi and much more....Cleaners just clean. I know this as I have done both. Childcare is much harder work and needs many more skills. I feel confident saying this as I have done both jobs.

And, say a CM charges £4 per hour, she then has to provide food, outings, insurance, toys and resources. Th money does not go far. There is very little profit in Childminding.

I guess its all down to what the market will stand isn't it?
When the kids were little and I had a nanny I always told her that she was there to care for the children, and nothing else. She amazed me by saying that other families she had worked for expected her to act like a housekeeper at the same time.
As to what childminders earn, I am always reminded of what Muriel Grey said when he daughter almost drowned and was left with servere permanent injury. Basically she said she never thought how little she valued her daughter's life till she realised she had left it in the hands of some kid who was paid peanuts. I think you are right to wodner about our priorities.

We have a nanny and her job is to look after the children not to clean and do the washing / ironing or anything else.

I don't think it's about the value placed on people who look after our children I think it entirely comes down to what is realistically financially viable. £8/hour for 40 hours a week is a lot of money to pay out of your own salary - approx £1300 a month per child.

maybe you should compare the price of a cleaner (only one family/house at a time) to a nanny (also one family/house at a time)

I think that you will find them a similar amount per hour because both are working just for you at your home

Well the Chiropodist came to the Care Home I work in today and fucking twat didn't put a towel down, so I got to hoover up nail clippings, scabs and crusty skin from 5 old people.

Lovely

On the upside, the maintenance guy brought me some sweets and my boss is letting me have a week off in December, and I had October week off. Not bad really since I've been there less than 3 months.

I'd still like to be paid £8 an hour though!

Given that in quite a few parts of the UK (Devon included, so I speak from experience), you would be really hard-pressed to find any job paying more than £8.50/hour (most pay around the £6.50 mark), there wouldn't be too many childminders in work if they charged £8/hour/child.

Cleaners can charge what they like, someone will always pay what is asked. I pay £12 an hour for my cleaner in Herts, my DD pays £9 in NW6, so less in London,

I charge £6 an hour. I have a cleaner for 6 hours, so that is 12 hours childminding fees!

this thread has been a bit of an education I must say, I had not thought this one through when I posted.

well anniemac I?m glad to hear to hear that you didn?t go for the cheapest cm, but you would probably be surprised to hear that the cost per hour is often the first question people ask. The fact that I?m very experienced, qualified and Outstanding is not enough, even though I do not charge extra for these qualities, people want value. I think at £3.75 i provide very good 'value' There is a saying ?quality childcare is not expensive, its priceless?

"you would probably be surprised to hear that the cost per hour is often the first question people ask"

I don't think that necessarily shows that it's their first priority though - it's more than people don't want to waste everyone's time if the CM says something out of their range.

No point in visiting if they say they want £15 an hour, and alarm bells would be ringing if they say £2.50.

Asking the question doesn't necessarily mean that you will choose someone charging £5.50 an hour over someone charging £6.00 an hour.

It's just market forces. People pay for things what they can get away with, and charge for things what they can get away with. It doesn't necessarily demonstrate how valued that skill actually is.

I pay £8 per hour for my cleaner, and £3.50 per hour per child for my childminder and initially I thought that doesnt seem really fair. But I send 3 kids to my childminder so she actually gets more from me than my cleaner. She does have other children (all part timers like mine). I only employ my cleaner for 4 hours a week too but Ive lost count of the number of hours my childminder does.

I must admit, I dont begrudge either of them a penny, they do a great job and I couldnt function without them.

wish I could charge that much, I am a cm (also a qualified nursing sister and hold child care certificates) and I charge £3.00 per hour in the Midlands. Thinking of putting up my fees by 20 pence per hour in the new year but thats the first increase for 3 years.. wow...

I have had only one parent really look at my Ofsted crertificate and EYFS documents most are only interested in prices how much do you charge fair enough though.. its a free market isnt it..

My Cm volunteered her charges in the first 10 mins and she's right - paying her took every penny of my spare (at that point) oncome - no point continuing the conversation if she was more.

In fact value/skill etc wasn't relevant as she;d been recommended and I wouldn't even have been talking to her otherwise.

And I could probably have found a slightly cheaper CM but because she was recommended I decided to go with her. I will also pay a good cleaner more if they are recommended

This threadhas gotten a mention in this wanky article

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/6600079/How-much-power-does-Mumsnet-have.html

I almost slapped the screen reading it, what a prick!

Kewcumder you should take a look!!

God What A Twat!

Anniemac, I fear he is totally wrong about you, and everyone else he mentions. Nob.

interesting to see if they post my comment.

can we add a new acronym to the site - BW = bloody wanker?

Wonder if he would have quoted that.

lol Kew

Bet you are fuming!