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AIBU?

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...to think that "due to no member of train crew being available" is NOT a good excuse for contant train delays/cancellations!

36 replies

gagamama · 11/11/2009 12:03

I have encountered no fewer than five trains so far this week where "due to no member of train crew being available" has been given as a reason for lengthy delays or cancellations. Just look at the 'Service Updates' section on this page - I know it's flu season and everything, but surely they should have contigencies in place for when their entire workforce calls in sick?! And some of the trains they're publicising as being delayed are more than 6 hours away -surely that's enough time to draft in some kind of temp?

So, AIBU or is there some reason why there is seemingly a defecit of train drivers?!

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electra · 11/11/2009 12:05

YANBU - I remember being told a delay had occured because the train driver was late back from lunch. I think public transport in the UK is better than it was but still requires improvement. I remember thinking how in Germany the trains run on time, all the time come hell or high water.....or so it seems.

edam · 11/11/2009 12:09

Think I've read that, bizarrely, train companies don't actually roster staff on Sundays but rely on enough people wanting overtime. So if not enough people apply, trains have to be cancelled. Not sure how that works on week-days though.

Don't know why train operators don't just organise their shifts to ensure there are enough drivers to run the trains - presumably they would have to pay drivers a bit more for Sunday working or something which would cut into the fat bonuses paid to the big bosses out of public subsidy.

edam · 11/11/2009 12:11

btw, I discovered, when I complained about drivers not making announcements about where the ruddy train would stop that it wasn't part of their job - just down to whether the driver felt like talking. Ridiculous.

gagamama · 11/11/2009 12:25

It's a joke. I do accept disruption at weekends because they have to do engineering work at some point, but I never realised staff weren't contractually obliged to work Sundays!

But surely if they know now that there's no staff available for this evening, surely that gives them a nice window to draft in some other drivers?!

(I've just realised I've spelt 'constant' wrong in the title... oops...)

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edam · 11/11/2009 15:04

Obviously part of the problem is poor organisation, the companies not actually doing their job properly, being more worried about grabbing massive taxpayer subsidies than running a good service etc. etc. etc.

But I also think it's cultural. Back in the days when my Dad was working for British Rail, the railways were staffed by people who actually liked and understood railways. There was a family feeling - and when he joined the management trainee scheme, fresh out of uni, you HAD to learn how to drive and spend time with drivers and guards. The managers had to know how the people actually doing the fundamental job worked - there was some mutual respect, everyone wanted to do a good job.

From what I see, all that has gone. You've got bus companies and airline companies running railways, imposing their way of doing things on passengers (e.g. charging a huge premium for walk-up fares, despite many passengers not wanting to book months in advance or be restricted to one particular train). They don't actually care about railways, or try to understand railways, they just care about making money.

For instance, the cost of building a simple footbridge to go between platforms under BR was a fraction of what it is today, because all the different companies involved want their slice of the pie.

So I wouldn't be surprised if drivers weren't inclined to help the bosses out when they stuff up, tbh.

Elffriend · 11/11/2009 15:27

It may well be because it is tied up in union agreements so that the company cannot roster any additional staff under those circusmtances. Still crap I know, but they may have their hands tied.

Dominique07 · 11/11/2009 15:32

Not unreasonable. I had same problem on monday. Really odd, and they were having this problem for trains going to all destinations. It was freezing cold on Monday evening and they just had everyone stuck there at the platform staring at the screen as trains were delayed, and then cancelled.

ClaireDeLoon · 11/11/2009 15:44

Same thing here on Sunday - all trains on their Great Northern route to/from Peterborough and Cambridge were cancelled that day.

The drivers are now considering a strike in the run up to Christmas. So it doesn't seem like it will get better soon

tethersend · 11/11/2009 15:49

There is strike action of sorts though, isn't there? I think all train staff on first capital connect are working to rule (no overtime) today and tomorrow

SerendipitousHarlot · 11/11/2009 15:51

This happened to me a few weeks ago.

We were told the stuff about the Sunday overtime - but they said that all the drivers that had put their hands up for the overtime had been told that they would only be paid basic rate instead of overtime rate - so the drivers told them to piss off, because overtime is voluntary. Which is fair enough imo.

Still a major pita though.

edam · 11/11/2009 15:54

Oh yes, I remember hearing that somewhere. Clearly companies would rather piss their passengers around than pay overtime to people working, er, overtime.

SerendipitousHarlot · 11/11/2009 15:57

Because they don't actually care, edam

Especially at the weekends - that's just normal people - they only care about the commuters that pay full price

edam · 11/11/2009 15:59

back to my point about the culture of privatisation v. British Rail...

Think you'll find they don't care about commuters either, they just know they can fleece them!

tethersend · 11/11/2009 18:15

I hear you, edam... First Capital Cunts in our house; they even make pregnant women apply for a letter saying they are pregnant (8-month bump not enough; they have to provide a doctor's confirmation) so they can sit in first class if there are no other seats available.

They actually fine pregnant women for being in first class on a packed train if they do not have a letter from the company.

And they operate the most expensive stretch of track in the country.

I hate them.

ClaireDeLoon · 11/11/2009 18:33

Yup tethersend and you can only get that letter if you have an annual season ticket. Buying it monthly isn't enough.

tethersend · 11/11/2009 19:50

That's breathtaking.

NancyBotwin · 11/11/2009 19:57

Edam is right that they rely on staff doing overtime to cover the rotas. Apparently this is mainly because so many staff are being retrained over the past year or so on new trains they are about to introduce (rather than it being just that they don't have enough staff) - don't know if that is true but is one excuse they have used. There are problems at the moment because staff are refusing to do overtime as they are in dispute with the company over pay.

Hunting · 11/11/2009 20:46

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gagamama · 11/11/2009 20:47

Crikey, it gets worse doesn't it? In the summer I moved away from Essex where I used National Express East Anglia trains to get into London. I thought that wherever I lived, the service couldn't get worse than that. Now I have a choice between First Capital Connect or Southeastern (the latter of whom sold me a monthly season ticket 'renewal' to the wrong station (?!) - I realised when I got home and had to go a very weird way into work to get it changed, and they then had the cheek to charge me £15 to get a replacement because I'd 'used it for 2 days' although it was less than 24 hours and I'd only made two journeys on it and one of those was very convoluted because my ticket wouldn't have been valid on the direct route!) And breathe....

Having said that, fair enough if it's strike action, but couldn't they just say that? Or are they too ashamed to admit they're shit to their staff as well as to their passengers?

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edam · 11/11/2009 20:48

Sounds like an excuse to me, Nancy, am sure cancelling trains because not enough people volunteer for overtime has been happening for years now, not just a one-off training issue.

Suppose I ought to phone my Dad to find out what's really going on.

FCC pregnancy policy - I knew you had to get a letter but had no idea it only applied to annual season ticket holders. And I thought it meant you could sit in first class whenever you liked, not just when the seats elswhere were full? Certainly what I was told when I moved to FCC land (had already had ds by that point so never found out for myself).

gagamama · 11/11/2009 20:53

Oh Hunting, I know. It's awful. I'm lucky that DP works from home and my DCs are yet to start school, but goodness only knows what I'd do if we both worked and we had to pick children up from school or childminder or whatever.

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Hunting · 11/11/2009 21:00

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ClaireDeLoon · 11/11/2009 22:54

edam

www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?section_id=28&iCmsPageId=79

I think I saw before that by season ticket they mean annual but it isn't clear in my link. And only from 25 weeks.

edam · 11/11/2009 23:15

I'm sure they've made it more restrictive then. The buggers.

My boss lived further down the same line as me and never bothered to do it, though, as by the time she got on the train was overflowing and there's no way she could get to first class anyway.

Hunting · 12/11/2009 06:58

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