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To consider capital punishment reasonable in this instance?

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Sn0wflake · 30/10/2009 14:59

I consider myself a bit of a fluffy liberal and at 34 have always been against the death penalty but the actions of Neil Strachan and James Rennie take me to a place where I feel like killing them quite frankly. I still see problems with capital punishment...that innocent people die but I at least think for these offences life should mean life. Do you think that is unreasonable?

Just in case you don't know what I'm talking about:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8331388.stm

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BreakfastAtGhoulies · 31/10/2009 23:16

Well you are all bigger people than I am...

I do agree that CP is a very flawed concept, and I have never been one to condone violence or death at another's hands.

Yet, I do agree with poshsinglemum and Sn0wflake in that my feelings completely changed when I became a mum and I know full well that if something ever happened to my DS I would probably end up in prison myself on a murder charge.

I know this is absolutely ridiculous as a child needs his/her mother, and especially after a trauma such as that (and that would be the ONLY thing that would stop me from murder), but just the thought of someone hurting my boy can bring such a rage to me that I would want painful revenge...

But I live with myself knowing that. I don't expect others to agree and would not try to make others agree.

I think justice wise, prison needs to be more of a deterrent. Besides me exacting my personal revenge, CP is far too flawed for it to be re-introduced and too much of a 'get out' for the perpetrator of the crime.

Prison needs to go back a century or two.... with fecking hard labour lumped in too. Then no one would want to return! Leave them 10 to a cell that is just 4 concrete walls and a hole in the ground. Nothing but bread, gruel and water and hard labour for 14-16 hours per day.

Sod human rights, the criminal violated someone else's human rights to be there in the first place, why does he deserve to have his respected??

bah - the justice and prison system is a very large bone of contention to me.

shockers · 31/10/2009 23:23

On first reading this thread without knowledge of the offences I agreed with no CP camp....
After reading it, I'm just not sure and I'm having difficulty with the way I'm feeling.

kittycatty · 01/11/2009 11:33

BreakfastAtGhoulies i agree.

These people didnt care about the childrens human rights when they did these things so they should imo have their human rights taken away!

Prisons are for some alot better than being free, this is why criminals keep going back in.

MadameDuBain · 01/11/2009 12:19

The whole point about human rights is that they are for all humans - even those who have, or may have, committed a terrible crime. When people say "well he gave up his human rights when he.... / he didn't consider their human rights" etc etc. - that's entirely missing the point.

The idea of human rights is to maintain decent and respectful treatment of all people in any circumstance because a) you may have got the wrong person b) they may have a valid defence, such as insanity c) to decide it's fine to kill, humiliate or torture etc someone because of what they have done demeans the person who carries out, and if it's in the name of the state, demeans the state and that means all of us.

kittycatty · 01/11/2009 12:49

Prison is a holiday camp for most. They get 3 meals a day, xbox etc alot more than they have at home. So whats left to take away from the criminals? What will make them think twice before committing the crime?

sarah293 · 01/11/2009 13:28

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