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to not want to 'Forgive and Forget' yet again?

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VengefulSinner · 21/10/2009 16:54

OK - I am an only child and my father was always on a pedestal to me as a child/teen even though he has always had NOTHING but criticism for me.

This would be in forms of always telling me I was fat (I was a size 12 and 5'8 ffs) and needed to lose weight, that academically I was not/am not as good as my cousins and so on. He is also very dictatorial and it is his way or no way. He is right, you are wrong. Always.

I used to let it all go and seethe alone after, but would never hear a bad word against him. Friends and DP's could not understand my attitude to his controlling nature either.

When DS was born dad did not visit for 10 days and then refused to really spend time with him until DS could "respond to him" i.e. at least 12mths old. He has tried telling me how to parent rather than offer advice, and his ways are quite worrying. He was never around to parent me other than for few hours one night a week after school, and even then we went to my uncle's where they would sit and chat leaving me to play with my cousins.

Recently we fell out rather hugely. He has told me my whole life that if I didn't do this/that/the other then he would disown me and I would not have a father (for stupid menial things too, such as dating a black man and not ending it at dad's order).

I could handle that, BUT he started telling the same thing to DS! He was telling a 4yr old that he would not have a grandfather anymore if DS didn't give him the kisses and cuddles he wanted! I explained that DS was not as tactile as he was when a baby and that I am the only one he still kisses and cuddles every 5 mins, but this was not acceptable. He could not even accept a kiss/cuddle on arrival and departure, which I got DS to agree to and DS was getting very distressed by it all.

Things came to a head when my father could not understand a concept on the computer. I explained very patiently but when he could still not understand he flew off the handle saying that I could not teach and it was all my fault and he had had enough and was disowning me!!!!! He told me that I do not have a father anymore and not to contact him.

That was 5 weeks ago.

The past week, he has called me a few times to tell me I have some post at his address and is trying to act all normal as if nothing happened, even telling me that he will have DS overnight on such-and-such date!. He has done this before and I have always gone along with it as it only really affected me, but this time it is DS, who is a perceptive and sensitive child at the best of times without dad messing him up with threats of disownment for trivial things.

So, AIBU to not want to 'brush it all under the carpet' yet again???

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VengefulSinner · 21/10/2009 21:46

Precisely! It was actually quite unnerving about the whole affection business... I mean, I would NEVER suspect my father of anything untoward down that route, but still.... why does he feel the need to constantly kiss and cuddle DS?? He was certainly never that affectionate with me!

He also told me that I don't treat him like a father... like he would know! I think he means in terms of compliance. I was so much more respectable to him than I ever was my mother and compromised so much to fit in with what he wanted. He offered to pay for lots of things for DS and then says I treat him like a cash cow?!

I guess what made me realise (other than the DS business) is that my whole life I have heard him say this/that/and the other about other people, particularly slagging off his brother and my mum, but by saying all they do is bitch and slag and he is the better person 'cause he doesn't. Yet they have very large networks of friends.

Errrr... Pot, kettle?! But he just can't see that - sigh. It's always someone else's fault

Funnily enough, earlier this year I saw a counsellor at work about my boss and XP (was DP at the time) and she just kept bringing the talks right back to him.....

It's a shame, 'cause he's my dad! I only get one, but I can't take the stress anymore.

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womblemeister · 21/10/2009 21:56

He must have had the most bloody awful upbringing to be like that. Not an excuse but he must've been bullied and belittled all the time so is now dishing it out to you. You don't have to take it any more.

Katisha · 21/10/2009 21:58

What a stupid habit of disowning he has!

He reminds me of someone I knew who turned out to have the narcissistic personality disorder which is the subject of a thread or two on here. He may not be that bad but he certainly thinks it's all about him doesn't he?

My feeling is that if he is starting to mess with your DS's head then you need to keep him away. And don't indulge in guilt feelings - where do they get you? Precisely nowhere.

ScaryFucker · 21/10/2009 22:12

"disowning"

wtf?

boy, that is spitting the dummy out....

like a 3yo snatching his toys back

how juvenile, and, frankly, pitiful

I would distance yourself greatly from him

protect your son, he is just a child and doesn't need a dickhead like this practising this idiot fom of emotional blackmail...

let xmas come around, and when he expects to spend it with you, say "sorry, dad, we are estranged, remember, on your say-so...."

Katisha · 21/10/2009 22:14

Back again as this is bothering me. Whatever you may have put up with in the past, I do think maybe now that he is starting his nonsense on DS, who is getting old enough to be adversely affected by it, that yes - there does need to be no more forgiving and forgetting. Its not fair on your little boy.

slowreadingprogress · 21/10/2009 22:38

agree with others. You have to protect your son from this emotional abuse. Good luck.

Nahla · 21/10/2009 23:19

Sometimes it's easier to deal with bad experiences by minimalising the impact they're having on your lives. Especially if it's the only thing you've ever known. It almost becomes normal and acceptable IYSWIM

Yes, he's the only father you have but DS the only DS you have. And both you and him both deserve to be treated so much better than this.

Focus on the fact that it's unlikely he'll ever change and very likely he'll treat your DS the same way he treated you

Nahla · 21/10/2009 23:26

By Nahla on Wed 21-Oct-09 19:55:47
Can you imagine what he would do/say to your DS to try to convince him to be more affectionate with him?

By VengefulSinner on Wed 21-Oct-09 21:46:55
Precisely! It was actually quite unnerving about the whole affection business... I mean, I would NEVER suspect my father of anything untoward down that route, but still.... why does he feel the need to constantly kiss and cuddle DS?? He was certainly never that affectionate with me!

I was thinking more along the lines of sending DS to his room without supper 'to teach him a lesson' if he didn't do as asked/expected by your father.

Sorry I'm sounding so negative but your OP made me feel sad and angry... It must have been hard growing up with him but you should feel proud for recognising he is wrong and his behaviour is unacceptable.

VengefulSinner · 22/10/2009 13:38

I know. It's a shame it took me nearly 30 years to get the courage to stand up to him (and that is only because of DS and the fact that he ALWAYS comes first), but at least I can say I have tried with all of my might

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Sunshinemummified · 22/10/2009 13:46

VengefulSinner I think you're doing the right thing not least for your DS and his feelings but also for yourself. Do you really want your DS to grow up seeing someone you love treat you like that?

My dad has some similar traits. I now keep him very much at arm's length.

VengefulSinner · 23/10/2009 17:19

MN must have magic in the air!

Yesterday evening my father called me (his number always comes up private so I answered not realising it would be him) and when he tried acting all normal again and told me he would be having DS for a night when we return from a half term getaway, I was very assertive and said no.

It caused a big, long conversation where I was very honest and he listened and accepted he had acted abnormally and although he still tried to give excuses and reason it out, he was very open to what I had to say and agreed to work on things!

In my 29 years he has never been like this! Maybe the thought of never seeing DS did it?? Regardless, he is on a very tentative last chance, and he knows this. If things start to go back to the way they were then that will be it for good.

He was apologetic for telling DS he would disown him, claimed that he couldn't remember saying it, but accepted that I was telling the truth and was quite upset at the thought that he had said it

It is all thanks to your support that I had the courage to say what needed to be said without feeling guilty or like a little girl again, so thanks to all you MN'ers that posted

Fingers crossed that he does do what he has promised.

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Sunshinemummified · 23/10/2009 17:36

That's great VS, I hope it all works out well for all of you.

Katisha · 23/10/2009 18:32

Well done VS. I hope he has a good think about himself.

However, I would caution about being too hopeful that he will change much, if at all. These sound like very deeply entrenched attitudes, and thinking he hasn't said things is worrying. He will believe his own version of events.

ginnny · 23/10/2009 18:40

He has told me my whole life that if I didn't do this/that/the other then he would disown me and I would not have a father (for stupid menial things too, such as dating a black man and not ending it at dad's order).

This alone would have made me disown him.
YANBU - you have a duty to protect your ds from this idiot.
I know he's your Dad and bloods thicker and all that but you really don't want him to affect your ds the way he's affected you do you?

Boys2mam · 23/10/2009 20:47

It's great that this has taken a hopeful step forward. Just take it tentatively, and no 'sleepovers' until you can see how your father is with your DS. Purely to ensure no emotional "abuse".

I really hope it can be a positive step forward

dickiethepunchlinedonkey · 23/10/2009 20:53

good luck- i hope it does all work out for you

Mandy1966 · 25/10/2009 11:30

Good luck, i too hope it all works out for you

VengefulSinner · 18/11/2009 10:22

Hi all,

I don't know if you are interested, but I have seen a fair few threads where it is stated that people like an update from the OP, so I thought I would.

Presently things are going well with my father.

He seems to so far be sticking to the agreement we had and there has been no heated discussions/arguments etc. and is not trying to dominate my time anymore. He now asks if I am free and if I am not he asks when I can next be available to help him.

In fact, just a couple of days ago he wanted some training on the internet with a programme. When he wasn't understanding, rather than get fed up and get irritated, he stopped, said "wait - let me explain what I don't understand properly before we both lose our temper and argue"!

We are both letting each other speak and hearing each other out before putting our side across and he is accepting that there are other POV's and ways of doing things.

He is also waiting for DS to take the lead and say that he would like to spend the night rather than dad insisting that DS should spend so-and-so night, and did not push for a kiss and cuddle at all when we went to visit.

So.... so far, so good!

Thank you all for your advice and let's hope that it stays like this.

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Stayingsunnygirl · 18/11/2009 10:32

That is amazing, VS, and I am glad that things are going better. You should feel so proud of yourself for the way you have handled this!

BlueCollie · 18/11/2009 10:37

I have nothing to do with my father and nor do my siblings. None of his grandchildren are lacking from not knowing him however, I feel that they would be upset if they did. Your dad doesn't sound like he would bring anything positive to yours or your childrens lives and I'd tell him that. I at times miss having a father but not him if you get what I mean.
Do what you think is best and don't feel guilty that you should spend time with this man just because he is your dad, you wouldn't let freinds behave that way towards you.

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