to wonder why everyone seems to have a downer on the Daily Mail?

[chaostrulyreigns]

am new to MN and reading thru many threads being a DM reader seems to be a Very Bad Thing?

Just wondering.

(ps Times for me)(but only since it's shrunk!)

"What do you mean that the dm invest in journalism?"

I mean they spend money on informed columnists.

They send reporters to incidents instead of relying on agency copy.

They don't spend as much as they used to - they had a big cull a few years back when they took Alex Bannister on (after he had finished his cull at the Express ). They made a lot of cutbacks then, but they still spend more on their copy than a lot of other papers.

I am no fan of the DM, but you do get more bang for your buck than you do with lots of other tabloids.

But most of the bang is a splat of crap!

Has anyone read Bad Science by Ben Goldacre, or followed his articles in the Guardian? How many Daily Mail column inches have been pulped there?

You never know where you are with the DM. It prints so much rampant, contradictory hatred.

It is a paper for people with limited critical faculties. I am not a Big Thinker but even I can pick holes in the facts or slant of any given DM story, query whether it is ever strictly necessary to point out - again - that Ulrika's children all have different fathers, wonder why one day working mothers are the backbone of the country and the next they are letting future generations down. Etc etc etc.

Oh god I could go on forever but it's not good for my blood pressure.

www.mailwatch.co.uk/

The first thing people say when you tell them the DM is appalling is 'Oh what do YOU read then?' expecting you to say 'Why The Guardian of course, like every right-thinking morally-upstanding educated citizen' but that is bollocks. There really isn't a 'good' newspaper, they all have their agenda, but none as insidious as the DM's.

Yes I agree it is a load of crap

But I still think the Express is a bigger load of crap cos they do the bigoted hatred but do it on the cheap.

Anyone seen their Calais asylum seekers front pages this week?

Haven't read other mails, but have read other threads on this. I read the daily mail. I am not uneducated, I am not bigoted. I really don't get what the problem is. I have answered this question before under a differnt name and was quite storngly approached by another mner, but really am not at all argumentative and didnt want to get into a protracted discussion about it - I was almost frightenend off by said mner. I read it, like most people I can pick the bones out of what I believe and what I don't and I believe that most other poeple are able to do the same without me deriding them.

This is a really really stupid question, but could someone in two lines explain to me what the DMgate issue was? I don't read the DM, hold the accepted MN view about it, but my mum reads it and quotes the usual claptrap at me on every DM emotive subject. Just to say what I think, but I was away over the summer and didn't really get the DM thing.

So shineon why the slimeon are you in a darker place

OOOH halloween, there's a thought.

Good grief, I wish someone would quote me, I was on the radio the other day though. Hiya Shiney.

Thought so. Don't lose your shine, also you can get the witches hat soon.

Tiger, something to do with the DM quoting the threads on here, lots of posters got their knickers in a twist, but to be fair the DM shortened their names.

Think it's a wake up call that nothing we post is secret. It's fair game to quote and reprint. It's all in the terms on mumsnet when we join/post.

I thought it was that, or possibly DM journos starting contentious threads. Thanks. It wasnt much of a "gate" was it?

er, not wanting to start the whole ruckus again, but it was a bit more than that.

It was a former mumsnet poster lifting whole threads complete with full posting names (initially at least) and quoting them verbatim in the Mail. The second week they quoted a highly identifiable employment problem, word for word, complete with the poster's full MN nickname

It was only after everyone got in a huge snit about it that they started to use less contentious threads, paraphrase posts and disguise posting names.

Also wrt everyone saying "but I am clever, I read the Mail, I can read between the lines", well I dare say you can, but personally I'd rather not put more profits in the coffers of a paper that has such an anti-asylum, anti-women agenda. It's not to do with not understanding and dissecting what I read (or believing that other people can do the same), it's to do with not wanting to give them my hard-earned cash so they can print yet more bigotted claptrap and doorstep more innocent people.

Good point, theyoungvisiter.

I spent years enjoying reading the Mail (a guilty pleasure) and laughing at their femail features - 'This working mum spent two weeks as a 50s housewife - with surprising results!'.

My excuse was always that it's good to read a paper with political views opposite to my own.

But just recently I have developed a lot more of a hatred for it - I am just getting fed up of them peddling the same old shite all the time.

What is hilarious is that all those that get latehred about DM seems to read it just to wind themselves up - why? I can't stand the Guardian which I find irritating and whiny, and so never read it - would not ioccur to me to read a G article just so I can post on MN how terrible it is...

thanx everyone for your time.

as i said before quite new to this MN business but am now major fan, find it unbeleivable that i can get help/support/humour/info so quickly.

what's the protocol - do we change our names slightly for every major celebration?

Chaos, yes. Friday nights your name must have bumsex in it somewhere (best not to ask). All celebrations observed here.

Marcus Brigstocke says that he only needs to read the DM on a Monday to be angry enough to produce material for the rest of the week.

Add to hate list:
non-flat taxes
homosexual(s/ity)
social workers
secret courts
Harriet Harman
Poles
Islam
Under 30's
Drugs
Porn/violence...

I read it, and my DS finds something in it to argue over every day.

har de har

the entertainment bit on the website is one of my favourite things