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Trying not to be - just feeling like <snorting> at friend about to have dc 1 who thinks it's all going to be perfect!

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weegiemum · 01/08/2009 15:57

Not a very close friend but I end up bumping into her most weeks.

Her dc1 is due in a fortnight.

She's had this "fabulous" pregnancy and says she knows "nothing can go wrong now" (tell that to the 2 people I know who have had 40+ week stillbirths).

She's "definitely" having a home waterbirth and thinks you are "letting yourself and your baby down" if you go to hospital/have pain releif etc (well we all know people for whom the pain-releif was a lifesaver - me, for example!)

She "doesn't understand" why people don't breastfeed exclusively for 6 months (I was a very keen breastfeeder and did do this but I have sat with friends crying with bleeding nipples - I know its not all plain sailing).

Her baby will be in a routine and will sleep apparantly.

PND is just a frame of mind - getting out for walks is the best cure (not the most tactful thing to say to me who ended up in hospital with it ....)

She is going to go spend her maternity leave baking and making homemade food (I didn't make a cupcake for 4 years! Too flipping tired).

when she goes back to work she has already picked out the "perfect" nursery and doesn't think there will be any bother for her or baby adjusting to it.

All of this is volunteered information (I stopped asking her about things a good while back after she told me that morning sickness was purely psychological! )

I'm just king of nodding and smiling and ignoring her about it all - it doesn't affect me. But I get cross for all those mothers (all of them?) who are not perfect, and I also worry a little about her - how is she going to be able to ask for help if things to go tits up??

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DollyPS · 02/08/2009 01:11

Not having the birth you want or the baby not behaving the way you want can cause depression maybe not PND but depression as you see yourself as a failure. It then spirals out of control and its the control you want back so you get more and more depressed, I know I did with my first and was dxed with PND as I wanted it all to be perfect and it wasnt.

My labour lasted 36 hours and a forcep delivery. He wouldnt sleep when I wanted him to and wrongly thought breastfeeding was every 4 hours well this was 23 years ago.

6 weeks and my HV noticed the signs so I know you want to be smug and say no this wont happen but dont wish for it either and keep an eye on her if she doesnt have it all perfect.

Went on to have the rest fine as I didnt do perfect again as I knew there is no such thing as perfect. Still ended up with another bout of PND though with the 3rd bubs. That was more the fact I had 3 of them under 5 and had taken on more than I could chew and no support either which didnt help.

weegiemum · 02/08/2009 06:56

Gosh I don't think I've ever started such a sucessful thread!

I do hope I can be there for her, but as some have said it will either (a) all be prefect (cocktail sticks at the ready), or (b) she won't be able to ask for help.

Interestingly she is a high achiever, and lives in cup-caked 'perfection' at the moment, but I would not like to live her 'perfect' life - somehow, I prefer my own mess! Even the pnd and the piles and the noisy kids!

So how do I go about making myself available to someone who might need but not ask for help?

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StealthPolarBear · 02/08/2009 07:28

I was the opposite - believed all the scare stories, expected the worst and was relieved to find it wasn't that bad - even though DS was a feeding & sleeping terror compared to his laid back little (female) friends. Not sure what to expect with number 2!
People do exaggerate hugely though - if someone posted in sleep saying they had literally had no more than an hour a night sleep since their LO was born and he/she was 6 months, would everyone really say that that was completely normal? It may be normal for the baby but it's exceptional and people would be suggesting ways to cope and manage.

BoffinMum · 02/08/2009 08:39

Weegie, I imagine it would be sensible to pop around there regularly and praise her to the skies for anything that's going well, if she's as much a control freak as all that. Maybe help her fold washing and put it away with her in her pre-determined militaristic piles, take some lovely designer coffee round and make her a carefully crafted cup of it while she puts her feet up, cunningly beg to hold the baby so she sit back, things like that. (The mind of a control freak is an interesting place).

As you may be able to tell from this inside knowledge, interestingly I am a control freak about everything except children and the childbearing experience. I am the indeed MNetter with the bilingually labelled linen cupboard. So the GPs always have me down as a potential PND candidate, so I reckon they must see a lot of this link.

karala · 02/08/2009 08:57

I have vague memories of being a PITA know-it-all during my first pregnancy - my children wouldn't watch TV or eat sweets because I'd be so fabulously brilliant in entertaining them and wouldn't use the TV as a babysitter.

Ha.

weegiemum · 02/08/2009 08:59

Of course I now can't point her towards MN!

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MrsBadger · 02/08/2009 09:39

oh of course you can

lynneevans51 · 02/08/2009 10:21

Oh dear - I have come to the conclusion that I am a very mean spirited person indeed and everybody else on MN is a saint... whilst reading all of this, my thought is "why would you offer to help her afterwards, let her stew in her perfect world" alas, I am the only person with this thought... horrid horrid person horrid horrid person horrid horrid person.....

Morloth · 02/08/2009 11:09

You never know though, she might just get an easy ride.

I did, not everyone struggles.

KingRolo · 02/08/2009 11:20

Reminds me of a good friend who came to dinner when DD was 12 weeks old and she was in the first trimester of her first pregnancy.

DD started crying 10 mins into the meal so I went to see to her and my friend said 'Ah, that's what you get breastfeeding. I'm going to bottle feed so the baby will sleep all night.'

sherazade · 02/08/2009 11:28

I had a friend like that.

The most horrible thing of all was that when her ds was born, he rarely cried (and I'd know coz we were neighbours). she was back into her size 8 clothes 2 months later and always looked fab. She had q quick delivery and was home the next day, breastfed exclusively for 6 months and then for another 18 months without glitches. I did knock on her door unexpectedly on occasion and she'd be nicely made up/dressed whilst her son was "putting himself to sleep" quietly in a moses basket. the house would be spick and span and she was also doing a full time college course/learning (and learnt) to drive/ got accepted at uni. She was though, one of the most driven people i've ever met and when she came to this country she didn't even speak any english! she's now completing her law degree. and has had another child since. bah..

in the meanwhile i had 2 toddler aged dd's house was a tip constantly, meals were hit and miss if they ever got made, everytime she came round i was in mismatched pj's with toddler food staining here and there and had bags under me eyes..

Olifin · 02/08/2009 11:28

Oooooh kingrolo, yuk, I hate that kind of thing.

BoffinMum · 02/08/2009 12:50

Lynne, I actually thought that too. I know one or two people like this and they irritate the hell out of me. I wouldn't be mean to them though, but I do rant a bit at home!

People on my 'list' of smug bastards include:

Nigella Lawson (embarrassingly a friend of a friend, as I found out once during a rant at said mutual acquaintance)

Martha Stewart

Most female newsreaders, especially Natasha Wotsit and that brassy blonde woman Amanda thing on the local news up here in East Anglia.

hambo · 02/08/2009 13:42

Just phoned my friend and she is making bread! Baby 2 weeks old....

I will wait until 6 weeks to see if she does become more normal...but maybe she is just a wonder woman.

Quite inspiring really!!
(She doesn't watch TV maybe that is the key..)

piscesmoon · 02/08/2009 13:50

'Interestingly she is a high achiever, and lives in cup-caked 'perfection' at the moment, but I would not like to live her 'perfect' life '

She is a control freak-unfortunately she will find out that DCs don't obligingly play the role given! I would just smile and let it go over my head-have 'really' as a stock response and change the subject.

TAFKAtheUrbanDryad · 02/08/2009 14:03

Introduce her to MN, then you can watch her house disintegrate and her child become feral as she wastes whole days on here!!

I was the most horrendous smug know-it-all pregnant woman. I fear some evidence may lurk in the MN archives but after ds turned out to be a horrendous birth, awful sleeper, glued to boob, terrible eater - I soon learned humility.

Dd is a doddle, by comparison. Or perhaps I'm just more chilled!!

hambo · 02/08/2009 14:06

You are right about MN, TAFKA...
I am away out now to do something useful!

KEAWYED · 02/08/2009 14:14

i'VE 3DS and my friends look at me like my life is in chaos [it is but I love it!!]

Now they have just starting having there first children and I cant help but feel a bit smug about all there comments from over the years.

Theyve realised that actually my children are quite normal and god forbid CHILDREN DO CRY.

I so cant wait until my brother and sister in law have children, when we go to stay they think you can expect children to sit on the couch for hours nice and quietly while we do adult stuff and get cross when they want to play. I am happy for my friends and family having children but there is a little devil on my shoulder laughing at whats to come.

MrsBadger · 02/08/2009 14:18

hambo

be careful re the homemade bread thing

when dd was 3wks or so I had the NCT posse round for the first time, and it was truly easier to make biscuits myslef (in pjs, clasping babe to boob with one hand) than it would have been to get us both dressed and get to the shops to buy any

so she may just be stuck at home in her dressing gown with leaky boobs and not a domestic goddess at all...

hambo · 02/08/2009 14:35

True ...I am going to see her tomorrow so will find out!

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