To think that if this is the way we treat men then there's no wonder they're so shit?

[raisingrrrl]

Here is what has attracted my ire. And yes, I know it's a bit of a "laugh" but if women insist on treating men like toddlers then you don't get to complain when they act like them.

Hmph.

i thought it was funny
im a lot like that if im forced into shopping

am surprised there hasn't been more of a response to the "men are shit" thread title. If it had been "no wonder women are so shit"....

What I will never understand is why women are outraged that men don't like to go shopping with them.

I have zero interest in watching random rugby or football games with DH - he's quite happy to do that without me or to leave me to read a book while he shouts at the TV - so why should he have to come with me when I want to wander around the shops? I love shopping and see it as a fun activity so don't feel that he has to join me.

Sure, I expect him to help out on essential shopping but I like shopping for clothing and he doesn't, so why should be come with me?

OK. I'm not giving up on this one yet.

Everyone has to watch Gok Wan. Now I really like his show, I defy any woman to not like him and be impressed by what he does. He is respectful, he is knowledgable, he listens and he is fun.

Going on a shopping trip with someone like that would be great. Encouraging DH/DP to be like Gok Wan is what is what I mean by encouragng your DH/DP to get involved.

MayorQuimby - LOL I know what you mean by "you know I'll get it wrong" especially to the terrifying "what do you think?" or "does my bum look big in this?" questions.

Here is the trick I use. Whatever, it is that is being shown to me by DW whether it be dress, jumper, trousers, jacket, I just pick up two others off the shelf and sugest them as alternatives. Maybe something DW would not normaly consider, maybe something a little braver, maybe something in another range. I might also choose someting to go with it. I give her a few alternatives but not too many. I am appreciative, and say "thats nice but how about this?".

DW feels I am taking an interest (which I am) but focussing her on a few choices. I also ensure I let her make the final choice and so avoid giving an answer to those questions that are going to get me into trouble. I also always avoid the "yeah great" answer that she will not believe and just makes me sound bored.

I find that, going with a positve frame of mind and getting involved is more fun than just being negative and being dragged around.

Its worth a try and can yield dividends

I can't stand that stereotype either. sadly it seems a large number of UK companies think that the only way to sell things to women is to show them winning petty victories over men. Sisters, do we need our confidence boostng that much??

I think Gok Wan is weird and I am a woman. If my DH acted like that I would think he had lost his mind.

It works for you, it wouldn't work for us. Different strokes etc.

ABetaDad - your DW is an angel. If my DH did that I would be instantly suspicious - what is wrong with my choice? What would make you think I would wear something like that? and descending steadily into the more paranoid "so you don't like what I wear, and you would rather see me dressed like a 20yo slapper, hmm?" Cos that's the choices I would be offered by my DH, bless him. He doesn't WANT to be asked, he asks me for my opinion on his clothes because he trusts my judgement above his own - can you imagine the pressure on him if I returned the favour? He would freak, honestly.

Kudos to you that you manage it though - well done.

I don't take OH shopping, problem solved....Actually as I hate shopping too this is really a non-issue for us, I can't think of anything worse than spending the whole of sat traipsing around the shops with a zillion other people. My clothes shopping consists of either needing something - work trousers - or seeing something on the way through a store and thinking 'ohh thats nice' and buying it (not always....)

As for getting dp involved - you are kidding right? - he loves me and his idea of what I should wear always involves showing rather too much of myself

I still at the memory of one sat (BC) when dp and I were on a rare shopping trip and in the middle of the kitchen dept he said 'I want one of those, and one of those, and that (cue crying child) and I DON'T want one of those'!

Abetadad - DH is my style-Nazi!

He HATES shopping, so I don't push him. But he usually suggests taking me out to buy clobber for my birthday, and I'm the reluctant one these days (middle-aged overweight frump emoticon )

But he knows how vain and shallow I am underneath the efficient matron veneer. I really did used to be a babelicious minx of foxiness and still scrub up well (with the light behind me, as the song goes ). And I trust his taste implicitly.

He claims to hate What Not To Wear and Gok Wan, but is paradoxically addicted to both while I'm in the kitchen...

Hubby doesnt mind going shopping with me, in fact he'll pipe up with 'that'd look good on you babe', and its usually something id choose myself.

DP would rather stick pins in his eyes than come shopping with me and tbh i would rather not put him through such an ordeal...

MrsFlittersnoop/Trikken - good on your DHs. A little bit of appreciation, sensible advice and a smile goes a long way. DW occassionally helps me choose clothes too so its not all one way traffic.

I would never take DH clothes shopping. He hates it.

IMO Dh can have some quality bonding time with our DCs whilst I slope off to the shops. Win/win situation all round.

Its even better if he pays!

FWIW, DW absolutely hates shopping in any form whilst i would quite happily wonder the aisles/racks all day. I have to organise trips in a strict order according to necessity, as she will usually only manage an hour.
Shopping with DD (2.6) is far more fun as we can indulge our shared shoe fetish
So two points: I personally find this kind of stereotyping regarding men and shopping really depressing, and equally depressing is the implication that all men are shit...