to be a little bit worried that I had to educate my friend on ALL the BNP's manifesto?

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Yes I know... another BNP issue BUT
I must admit I was just a little concerned on who many people have NO clue about all the BNP's views.
Firstly I had to argue the point of voting (They're all as bad as each other!) How else are they going to be told what we will and will not accept if we don't use our powers?
But I was more concerned on how many people were considering voting BNP on the whole 'British Jobs for British workers' views etc without realising the whole truth about the Holocaust denying, subserviant women, homophobic, useless C*nts they are!!
Ahhhh Rant over. I thank you.

Religion has no place in politics, so to argue that it's ok because many religions agree is

Many many people have no part in religion but do vote!

Comprimising on a relationship is one thing not being able to move on from an unhappy marriage is completely another.

Why i've bothered with this reply i've no idea.

It's all very well saying that religion has no place in politics but as we have bishops in the House of Lords your not really onto a winner!

you're

YABU to say that you have to educate your friend on ALL the bnp's manifesto. I don't know it all either, neither do i know ALL the manifesto for the looong list of choices i had on the ballot paper.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

I'd have thought that was obvious.

superwasher
I am a canadian, and some of the mums were having a chat at the park awhile ago, and the conversation turned to foreigers taking jobs and "using up all the NHS services etc"
I said "Oh, foreigners like me?" cue alot of babbling and "Oh, no not you...!"

Who then?

Tamarto - Not quite sure what your point is. I was just illustrating that one of the points that was being decried as "scary" was common to many religions and you don't tend to see the CofE for example described as "scary" on MN! I was just pointing out that making the blanket statement that all the BNPs policies are scary is simply lazy.

they want to bring back national service! i imagine that will lure some pensioners in

I'm back for a bit and do see the point you are making, londonone, you make it very well

Clarity of thought and language is essential. My debating skills are not up to yours, may never be, but are certainly not sharp given that my two-year old is yet to sleep for more than three hours at a time.

Sadly there are many people who are too stupid to know what the main political parties stand for, (my sister is one) but will know that they don't like foreigners or homosexuals for instance.

I know a young woman who going to vote for the very first time for this reason. She has seven children by four fathers. Started at age 15 and is barely 30. Has never worked or admitted to the DWP that the BF of the moment lives with her. If that's not a career benefit lifestyle I don't know what is. I wonder how happy she'll be if she gets what she has wished for?

didn't you notice the line hidden near the end..."we want to restore the husband as head of the household"..there you have it..its how seemingly mad groups like the Taliban get in. They start with a popular line..ooh we must stop all this sex/deprivation/ scrounging etc then before you know it women are back in the kitchen and men get to rule the roost again...hard fought for rights for women and others lost in an instant...sigh.

The BNP is basically a British version of the Taliban.

mrs boogie - someone should infiltrate the BNP's website and emblazon it with your one-liner

Having read that badly-spelt piece of shit masquerading as a manifesto, my question is why the BNP are anti gay marriage. What's that got to do with their basic principle "chuck out Johnny Foreigner"?

A friend of mine once said to me "I don't want to live in a multi-cultural society" and I responded "who has ever, in any country, not lived in a multi-cultural society?" It happened in Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, it has happened ever since. It's how we are. Deal with it.

How offensive to people who find out that people they thought they got along with are actually racists. The ones that are really dumb tend to have one black friend who's acceptable, but they hate everyone else. It don't make sense, guv. IF YOUR FRIEND IS OK DON'T YOU THINK OTHERS MIGHT BE TOO OR ARE YOU ONLY ABLE TO GENERALISE NEGATIVE THINGS??!!!Rant over for now anyway.

tribpot, not true actually about the multi culti. The question is sometimes still raised here in germany about whether germany should become multi culti.
At the moment, german is the dominant culture, and that's official. There are, of course, loads of foreigners like me living here, and in practise, life isnt too different from that of foreigners in the uk.

Multi culti is a definite state where you say that the cultures of immigrants have equal value to the native culture, and thats what we had in Britain during the later part of the 20th century. It changed british culture, for the better, imo. But historically, its an anomaly, Id have thought.

leningrad you said

"Many people might think that the best place to bring up kids is in a stable married relationship but all the evidence suggests that there is no difference in outcomes for kids raised by lesbians, in or out of a relationship, for example (see Susan Golombok's work).

So, what 'people' think isn't really relevant."

I hate to point this out but what "people" think is relevant, it's called democracy!

Unfortunately democracy means everyone can vote including the ignorant and uninformed. Democracy is a system that allows ignorant uninformed people to have a voice.

BNP do hate women:

"I've never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime ... Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.

"The demonisation of rape is all part of the feminazi desire to obtain power and mastery over men. Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors."

and

"Some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly."

"the vast majority of domestic [assaults] are initiated by the woman."

career women are "unnatural and vile... it is a strange kind of woman who would want to invest [her] energies into her job rather than into a man."

etc.

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than +rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.do

someguy - I believe that the chocolate cake guy was kicked out of the BNP.

Again not defending him/them but just pointing out that hysteria and inaccurate reporting doesn't make for a good debate.

It's hardly hysteria. He was selected as their candidate with those views published and on record.

Bottom line is the party's leader is a convicted criminal (for denying the holocaust FFS, how pathetic can you get), so are numerous other BNP figures who continue to be central to that organisation. They've rather moved on from hating Jews but only because that particular brand of hate is not all that resonant in the 21st Century - the new bogeyman is Muslims. Muslims, Jews or blacks, there's no difference, the BNP's raison d'etre is HATE. Nothing more, nothing less. Their policies on the economy, etc. are totally irrelevant - because they are defined by racism.

It's not hard to find out the facts about them: www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Profile-of-Nick-Griffin.php

so I don't see why you're talking about hysteria.

I don't necessarily blame individuals for falling for BNP propaganda, however I do take opposition to disingenuous people claiming they are all very nice people really and have just been mispreresented a little bit.

Londonone is right: there are a lot of policies and statements that the BNP comes out with which sound very reasonable and which could be appealling. And that's why they're so dangerous. I know that it's terrible internet etiquette to bring the Nazis into an internet debate, but they didn't get into power and initially become popular by saying "kill all Jews, Homosexuals, people with mental illness and handicaps" as their main campaign slogan; that came later (though it was always on their agenda). They got in by - creating jobs for German workers, restoring national pride, placing an emphasis on building up the family in a country devastated by humiliating defeat in war, failed democracy and economic depression. That is how extremist parties get in. They moderate their policies, become more acceptable to the mainstream and then they can show their true colours.

Someguy - If I were a BNP supporter (whic I am not in any way shape or form) and someone directed me to a "hopenothate" website it would be easy for me to dismiss it as simply anti-BNP propganda. It is easy enough to dismantle the BNPs arguments in a reasoned fashion without having to resort to saying "they are ALL just criminals" when they patently are not, "they are all stupid" when they again obvioulsy are not, "alltheir policoes are evil" when clearly they have some vile and abhorrent policoes but they are careful to also have some very reasonable policies. It is sheer laziness and it is this kind of laziness that lets them thrive.