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Pregnant women smoking quite a lot of weed - just wondered where others stand on this as I judged my arse off but am interested to hear the other side?

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CurryMaid · 31/05/2009 20:23

That's it really.

A couple of pregnant women I've met lately have been quite heavily into smoking weed throughout.

I have to admit I judged my arse off, although I don't know much about the dangers of doing this in pregnancy so maybe I was making an incorrect judgement?

Just wondered what other's gut reaction to seeing this would be?

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Paolosgirl · 01/06/2009 20:29

If you grow it yourself and use it yourself when you're not pregnant, then I have absolutely no problem with it. Most people who use drugs do not grow or make it themselves though, which is why the drugs industry and the levels of crime associated with it are rising.

scottishmummy · 01/06/2009 20:57

nicotine is carcinogenic and harmful to foetus
cannais/thc use pg is linked to LBW and prematurity
thc is secreted in breastmilk,passed to infant

SolidGoldBrass · 01/06/2009 23:23

I think it's probably the case that low/moderate use, especially when not mixed with tobacco, does minimal harm and may even be helpful (such as in cases of hyperemesis).
And Paolosgirl: remember that a lot of the criminality involved in the drugs trade is down to recreational drugs being criminalized - the Yanks have never gotten over the massive social damage done by Prohibition.

scottishmummy · 01/06/2009 23:27

ah,gastrointestinally soothing thc?any ole excuse for a puff

universally recommended if gaviscon dont hit the spot.not

SolidGoldBrass · 02/06/2009 00:47

Scottishmummy: THC is an anti-emetic. It's also an analgesic and a mild sedative. That it is currently illegal and may not always be available in a pure form doesn't change the basic properties of the drug and if it is used responsibly it probably isn't very high risk.

Cowwomanmoo · 02/06/2009 02:29

"The Endocannabinoid System
Cannabis preparations have been used medically for thousands of years for illnesses such as epilepsy, migraine headaches, childbirth, and menstrual symptoms. However, it is only relatively recently that the active components have been identified and their mechanisms of action have begun to be understood. While delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) was first synthesized by Mechoulam in 1967 [5], it was not until 1990 that the cannabinoid receptor was localized in the brain [6] and cloned [7]. Since then, discoveries in the field have proceeded at an ever-increasing pace. The discovery of cannabinoid receptors on cells naturally prompted the search for internal compounds (endogenous ligands) that would activate the receptors since it seemed unlikely that cannabis receptors had evolved so people could partake of cannabis. In 1992, anandamide was discovered [8]. This lipid metabolite was the first ligand of an ever-expanding class of molecules known as endocannabinoids (internal marijuana-like compounds) to be discovered. Endocannabinoid synthesis, degradation, transport, and receptors together form the endocannabinoid system.
The broad therapeutic potential that can result from correctly manipulating the endocannabinoid system is just beginning to be realized[9,10]. In fact, major pharmaceutical companies, and university researchers all around the world are now engaged in the cannabinoid-related research [11]. Their efforts focus on learning how the endocannabinoid system functions, and on how to manipulate it in order to increase or decrease its activity, depending on the illness or condition under consideration. GW Pharmaceuticals in Britain has been developing and testing a plant extract-based product line that is in clinical trials in Britain and Canada [12]. The results thus far have been positive to the extent that Bayer AG has entered into a 25-million-dollar distribution agreement for GW's product, Sativex which has recently been approved in Canada. In contrast, Sanofi Research has developed an antagonist that will inhibit the ability of endocannabinoids to stimulate hunger and thus potentially be useful for weight control".

Robert Melamede
1Biology Department, 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, 80918, USA
2Bioenergetics Institute, 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, 80918, USA
www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/17#IDAQG4GG

I gave up fags when I found out I was pregnant, and I stopped drinking. Why Imy choice of nausea medicine during the worst of morning sickness,(I took it a couple of times during the peek,when unable to eat due to constant sickness) and my choice of pain relef during labour so morally wrong? THC dosnt cross the placenta as much as pethidine dose.
As for supporting crime, the hairy hippy's who grow it that I know, sort there rubbish for recycle very carefully. There worst crimes have been against fashion.
People are scared to share there positive story's of medical canabis use because of the ridiculous legal status of it.
It grew wild in the UK, imagine if they made drinking nettle tea illegal?.

Paolosgirl · 02/06/2009 15:34

Good, I'm glad you know people who grow it themselves, but I'm sure you can acknowledge that the majority of users don't buy it from some hippy, and instead support a criminal fraternity causing misery in their communities. Once you hand over your cash to the dealer, you have no way of knowing whose pocket it's lining and what's being done with the proceeds - although it doesn't take a genuis to work out that no-one is really benefitting except the criminals.

babyball · 04/07/2009 06:59

Think it depends where you're getting it from. I have smoked weed in the past but found it wasn't the drug for me, and made me paranoid and freak out. Black and pollen don't seem to have the same effect and can be enjoyable on occasion. Most stuff available now is skunk however and not something I would want to subject my unborn baby too. DH has smoked it since he was a teenager and has a great deal of mental health issues. Not sure how much can be attributed to weed, but he needs to smoke it every night to get to sleep at the mo.
The stronger forms of skunk, that can potentially be sprayed with glass (to mimic the appearance of THC) would not be something I would touch pregnant or not now. I think if you smoke all the time, you lose the glorious giggly feeling that occasional users get. I plan to have the odd one at parties after DS arrives.
If you know your supplier/grow it yourself, it's possibly fine whilst pregnant. I would be loath to smoke anything whilst pregnant though, esp. as most people smoke with tobacco and herbal tobacco is not particularly great for you either. Weed tea may be an option for some if it helps with morning sickness/pain. I am 32 weeks now and may consider having this to help with labour pains myself.

kentmumtj · 04/07/2009 07:42

there is heaps of research on smoking tobacco during pregnancy just like their is now heaps of reseacrh which clearly links long term cannabis use to mental health problems.

i work with these adults when they become parents, it is highly addictive, it does cause massive mental health issues, it costs money, it is illegal, and once dependant in many cases i work with it does interfere with being a good enough parent. It is a very damaging drug that people often minimise, and most who minimise are users as there is not many professional people who would encourage or say it is ok to smoke this drug when pregnant as chances are they will continue after the child is born

I think if people smoke it during pregnancy they are showing that they put their own needs above that of their child.

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girlsyearapart · 04/07/2009 07:57

Riven - interested in your post. I have relapsing remitting MS take interferon injections also have had tegretol and beta blockers in the past. Stopped all 3 months bef conception of both DD's. Always paranoid about accidentally falling pregnant whilst on medication.. Have never tried medicinal cannabis though does it work?? Apologies to everyone else for dullness of this post

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motherbeyond · 04/07/2009 08:47

i've judged so often i am left with merely an anus...but obviously i am always correct in my harsh judgment of others, without exception

chegirl · 04/07/2009 16:55

Hi Riven, I am interested too cos of OH's MS. He doesnt smoke it. We watched his sister smoke herself into oblivion (she also had MS). It became very difficult to seperate the symptoms of MS from her being stoned. It is still possible to become totally dependent even if you are puffing for the right reasons and her life revolved entirely around the draw.

Lets hope they come up with something good soon.

nannynobnobs · 21/11/2009 13:45

I'm new here and just found this thread as I wondered what others opinions were.
I have never so much as held a lit cigarette to my lips, but I have enjoyed the odd cup of 'green' tea or cake since my college years.
With my second pregnancy I decided to look into the arguments for and against (I had not had any during my first pregnancy).
I came across the aforementioned study into Jamaican communities where cannabis consumption is required as part of the Rastafarian religion. Only the men smoke it as a matter of course; the women take it in tea or in tincture form. They continue this through pregnancy.
They were found to have easier labours, less birth trauma and higher birthweight babies. Added to this (make of it what you will) the babies did better in cognitive testing at the age of one than the babies in the control group.
Therefore I did feel I was okay to have some occasionally in my tea or in a bun. I did not have any for labour, I don't think that would have been right for me. DD2 was a normal weight, 7 8.
My dd2 has always been very quick to learn, very intelligent. At her eight week review my GP was amazed with her progress- he thought I'd missed a date and that she was older. She reached all of her milestones early and has not stopped surprising me.
Obviously I can't say what she would have been like otherwise. I'm just saying there's a lot of grey area.
Judge arses off if you will... But take some of mine if you do so my going out trousers fit.

victoriascrumptious · 21/11/2009 16:38

I work in the sciences and it's my pet hate that people jump to conclusions based on poor science. There is no conclusive evidence to state that cannabis harms babies in the womb.

There is enough evidence to say that smoking a large amount of cigarettes harms unborn babies...however we're talking about 15+per day and women with asthma should lay off them altogether.

I'm not pro-cannabis BTW. I don't like it but I am pro fact based opinion.

victoriascrumptious · 21/11/2009 16:46

Also it really cant be healthy for women pregnant or otherwise to go around seething at other pregnant women's choices. Women who tend to judge tend to be more prone to anxiety about their own choices. Too much anxiety= over production of cortisol=unhealthy baby+mum.

Best to chill the fuck out and roll a fat one.

RubyBuckleberry · 08/12/2009 14:24

It boggles the mind that women are allowed, nay encouraged - expected even, during labour, to have pethidine, diamorphine (pharmaceutical grade heroin) and epidurals (which contains more opiates, injected INTO THE SPINE - nice) rather than smoke/drink/eat cannabis. It is not a narcotic, is not a known teratogen (yet alcohol is) and if you do the research, there is an overwhelming amount of literature suggesting that it is not the poison that US/UK senior officials would have us believe.

this is interesting

and this is too

claraquack · 08/12/2009 14:47

I will be totally judgy and say if you can't be bothered to give something up which may be bad for the growing child inside you (ie one study isn't enough to pursuade me I'm afraid) you shouldn't be allowed to have children.

And as for the drug trade, the sale of cannabis in/from eg Jamaica helps fund the cocaine trade so I'm afraid it is all linked. Plenty of cannabis sold in the UK does come from Jamaica.

chegirlwithbellson · 08/12/2009 16:03

I used to visit women in HMP Holloway as part of my job.

There were a lot of women (most with children) in there, getting prepared to serve very long sentences for bing drug mules.

At the time the majority were from Jamaica although I believe this has changed as security has got tighter in the region.

That part of this 'harmless' drug shouldnt be ignored.

sarah293 · 08/12/2009 16:12

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MsDoctor · 08/12/2009 16:20

Those links are the best I have ever clicked on through MN.

RubyBuckleberry · 09/12/2009 18:46

Female Jamaican drug mules do it due to extreme poverty which is a social issue not a herbal one, and it seems to be cocaine that many women smuggle - which makes sense really - cocaine is worth a lot more money; you couldn't swallow much cannabis compared to the amount of cocaine you could swallow - it wouldn't be financially worth it, and you probably wouldn't get paid much. Also, isn't this precisely the point. If people were allowed to grow it at home, there would be no market for it, demand would cease and supply would have to follow.

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