to take a hammer to XFIL's head.....

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.....and knock some sense into him

He has joined the BNP

He says he is doing it for the future of his grandchild (ds2)

Or i could try electric shock treatment, i have a set of jump leads in the car....

ok he may listen to me if i talk to him sensibly, they obviously got to him with their bullshit, how can i talk him round?

He is probably doing it as a reaction to all the crap that's going on at the moment. If you could bear it you could get some of their hate filled literature and show to him and ask him whether that is the kind of world he wants his grandson growing up in?

I know it would be very distasteful but to make him face the reality of what he is supporting rather than deluding himself with the thin veil of respectability that they use to suck normal people in.

you may be right mrsb, where can i find their literature

So hammer and shock treatment might work you think?

Maybe i will try STRONG words first Dog, or it could get messy

Anybody got any strong words for the BNP?

We now have a BNP candidate here which has caused a stir

Why not start by pulling his eyebrows out

Or you could do something like tattoo 'i'm a racist' on his forehead, or glue a KKK hood on his head and stick him in the most mixed race part of england. after giving everyone there lorrys of bricks to pelt him with.....

If he's doing this for his grandchild (wtf?) remind him that his father's generation fought against facsism.

xfil is usually a very lovely kind man, and he spends a lot of time with ds2

he has lost his mind, obviously

have you told him that DS2 won't thank him for supporting hate-filled, racist morons and that he is not to do it in DS2's name?

Or tell him that you have always refused to allow DS2 to have contact with any member of such an organisation and that, by joining, he has effectively cut himself out of DS2's life.

I had a UKIP lealet through the other day with slogans like 'stop the rot' and other things, I can't remember now but I was

good idea edam

jokes aside, i really want to talk some sense into him

Err I dunno...that's the difficult bit

Tell him that no BNP member is getting within an inch of his grandchild.

Agree with creative and cornsilk Tell him you feel that strongly against bnp that he will no longer be able to see ds as you are worried about his influence. Tell him calmly and then carry it out.
His decision has ramifications.
How on earth did he think you would react?

BNP were voted in where I live, makes me sick but it's proof of how bloody naive some of the older population are and what smooth salesmen the BNP are.

Leafleters approached me and my mum last summer when we were sat out in the garden. I tore my leaflet up in front of them and said I didn't want their crap. He came back with another two for my mum and started telling her how her mothers pension was in decline due to all the bloody immigrants and asylum seekers. Really aggressive stuff.

My mum pretty much agrees with a lot of their speil in an ignorant, sign of the times sort of way but I have made it 100% clear that I never ever want to hear any of it in my house or in front of my kids. Sad thing is you can't pretend that people don't have these views because they do. Making it clear where you stand and what your immediate family believes is really all you can do.

vinegar carrying from what I said earlier. I don't know how old your dc is but you could also educate him/her about the situation too, and when grandad says anything they are armed with the intelligent response to this narrow bigoted frame of mind.

I was all prepared to tell you off for your thread title until I read your first post. Yanbu.

Why don't you suggest he joins greenpeace for his grandchildren, seeing as that might actuially have a positive effect! I think I would be limiting / supervising your children's contact with him in this situation, at least until they are old enough (16 ish maybe) to not be too influenced by his opinions.