to be actually panicked that some man out there thinks raping women is like force feeding them chocolate cake?

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I did put this on the BNP thread, but thought it needed a thread of it's own. Particularly on a site made for women.

I got a leaflet through the door which was against BNP, and it said on it that some BNP leader guy in London had said that women enjoy sex so rape cannot be anything bad, so raping a woman is like force feeding her chocolate cake.

Does it terrify anyone else that if these ever got in power they could be rascist and awful but also put women back to posessions rather than people?

It really un nerved me.

I used those words to show what the BNP really think of people who are not how shall we say, indigenous British, whatever that means. Not words that I would use myself - they were used to show what language the BNP would use. I was, if you like, speaking as if a BNP member/supporter, not as myself. I perhaps am not making myself clear.

And it bothers me that someone thinks taking the BNP's leaflet at face value is "a bit silly" when the BNP represents all that is racial hatred and would appear of worth to thousands and thousands of people.

My vitriol is rather aimed at those words "a bit silly" than at you, King. Sorry if you feel I attacked you personally.

No, using those words just perpetuates the use of those words. Be better than them, don't sinlk to their level. She was not giving examples, she was asking me a question using, frankly, disgusting language. I would not allow a member of the BNP to talk to me that way so why should I let a member of MN?

The BNP leaflets are always like this, it is nothing new, they have been trying to convicnce us of the same thing for years.

Ah, now here's where you're mistaken, Winky Winkola.

The OP was discussing a leaflet that was against the BNP.

The Op is talking about a leaflet against the BNP, I suspect this may be where the confusion is coming in, my post was about the leaflet in the Op, not the BNP lealets.

X post BB!

Not directly BNP but I was shocked by the3 conversation of some men that I overheard the other night.
I was sitting in Macdonalds in Camden after we had been to a concert, minding my own Big Mac, next to some normal looking 20 something boys.They were talking very loudly about how when a woman says that sex hurts you should jsut carry on and ignore her and laughing about how women always complain but enjoy it really.

These were seemingly soberish quite well dressed men.They werent rough looking or insanely drunk (not that that would make it alright)

I just cant believe that there are still men that think like that.So And also that the feckers would be so unashamed as to talk about it at volume whilst sitting next to a woman.Horrid.

why would you be panicked?

The bnp aren't going to come into power soon.

Somewhere up the thread it was mentioned that this guy's words could have been twisted. Here is what he said:

"I've never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime ... Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.

"The demonisation of rape is all part of the feminazi desire to obtain power and mastery over men. Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors."

Here is the article about it

These people need to be shown that their views are not wanted here.

Actually what I dont get re the BNP is why they are the default option for disenchanted voters.There was a man on the news last night being interviewed re his thoughts on MP's expenses and he said 'I wont vote for any of the main parties now,Im going to vote BNP'
Why the hell would you do that?Madness.

What the hell are you talking about wannabe?

Don't you know they are extremely likely to get into power next month?

I suppose you're only thinking about national government? What about local govt? What about European Parliament? That is still power, you know!

Frankly I think that Winky has a point- for all the socially acceptable veneer pasted onto these people, we mustn't forget that what they truly believe is embodied in the use of those words. They are a bunch of stupid racist blinkered cretins with a horribly plausible leader.

Aaargh. My mistake. Apologies.

But those words are those used by the BNP - you couldn't stop them using them whether you liked it or not. They are using them. That's why it's so shocking.

And FWIW, I was speaking as if someone of BNP persuasion - I should know what perspective I was writing from! But I myself am not of BNP persuasion. Evidently.

wannabe- they problem is that they could be representing all of us in the EU after the next European elections unless more people turn out to vote. They could get in if around 8% of voters decide to vote for them (vs 23% turnout). And it seems easier to harness extreme voters than mainstream ones and get them to the polling station.

For discussion on actual BNP leaflet delivered in the post this morning, this is the thread. Apologies for muddying the discussion on the anti BNP leaflet.

Fair enough LB, pretty disgusting (to say the least) Although I do wonder how he thinks that rape can be commited without violence? I mean, I know there are some instances for instance the use of drugs, do you think that is what he is talking about?

Mind you, I am guessing he probably has a different definition of using violence then I would (or most of us).

However, the problem with letting them know that there views are not wnated is two fold, on the one hand, some people do want them, there is not unanimous denouncment and on the other we have fought long and hard for a free country....

well shouldn't we be questioning why people are voting for them?

Because the reasons surely go deeper than just not liking gordon brown..

MorningPaper- it's even more shocking now I've seen it on the BBC news website- thanks for linking to it though. I thought I was the only person in the world who had heard about it!

KingCanute, I'm also mystified. Rape is a violent crime. Maybe he is talking about drugs but even then you are still being assaulted and I think every woman would consider that to be violent of the vilest kind against her.

I think that he thinks that a husband is allowed to rape his wife and this somehow makes it not violent. Later in the article it quotes him as saying:

"I was trying to make the point that there are two kinds of rape. There is stranger rape and there is so-called rape by somebody the woman knows. I was raising an important issue in a provocative way to allow people to make up their own minds."

"I think that he thinks that a husband is allowed to rape his wife"

Ironically, isn't this the case in a lot of (extreme) Muslim states?

There was a party political broadcast by the BNP last night after the 10 o clock news on BBC1.I found that shocking in itself..but it seems that lots of people see them as the only alternative to the 3 main parties.I find that totally unfathomable.Whatever David, Gordon and t'other one have done its surely better than being a woman hating racist?Surely..

For the first time in my life I actually agree with my 79 year old Father.The country is going to the dogs.

Yes it is WinkyWola..Its a huge issue for Muslim women.I think there was also a recent case here, in which the wife accused her husband of rape and he admitted it, but didnt feel he had done anything wrong as in their culture the crime of a husband raping a wife just didnt exist-in fact if a woman refused her husband sex for more than two weeks I think it was the husband could decalre the marriage null and void with no further recourse.

I'm not that surprised that bloke thinks like that about women. I mean look at him. If he's had sex with anything other than a shoebox full of chopped liver in the last 5 years then I'll give myself a sex change with a length of hosepipe.
Something that needs to be pointed out frequently when discussing the BNP is what a bunch of absolute tosspot losers they all are. People who hate irrationally like this are always deeply inadequate, socially inept, not very bright and incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions.
And FWIW no BNP candidate ever gets elected a second time - because they are useless elected officials, being too stupid and obsessed and socially inept to get anything done.

I was just going to post almost exactly the same thing Lottie!

It is a very strange viewpoint but, as you say winky, it is accepted in some places.

I wonder how all these "policies" come into being. I am not that enamoured of the big three but at least the majority of their polices come from a route that makes some kind of sense. With this party the policies seem to be dreamt up by a few bigots who then find more bigots to back them up....

It is a shame that the BNP is seen as the default fall back by so many, I mean, why not the green party or someone who at least does not want to do actual harm!

Ugh so fucking gross and makes me mad. I have previously had the misfortune to know a man who was very racist and thought rape within marriage was a male right. The BNP represent everything I loathe.