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to think that dd's teacher was over-zealous in enforcing the school's nuts policy?

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melpomene · 30/04/2009 20:27

The children in dd1's class (year 1) often bring in sweets to give out on their birthdays. The sweets are always given out at the end of the school day when the children are being collected by their parents.

So, on dd's birthday I sent her in with a multi-pack containing mini bags/bars of chocolate (Dairy Milk, buttons, Flake etc). I checked to make sure that none of them had nuts as an ingredient because nuts are forbidden in school. There were 6 different types of sweet in the bag and 4 of the 6 had a warning "may contain traces of nuts" but I thought that would be OK because nobody in dd's class has a nut allergy. The other 2 types of sweet were guaranteed nut-free. DD was very excited about the prospect of giving out the chocolate.

At the end of the day I collected her and she came out in floods of tears, because her teacher had said that she couldn't give out the chocolate in case it had nuts in it. Most of the other children had left by the time she calmed down enough to tell me what had happened, so it was too late to approach the other parents/children to offer them round ourselves. When we got home dd1 cried in her room for half an hour

So, AIBU to think that dd's teacher could have given out the sweets, or at least announced to the parents that they were available, given that (1) no one in the class has a nut allergy and (2) all the children were being handed into the care of parents?

OP posts:
Dysgu · 01/05/2009 08:35

I am a teacher with a nut allergy myself. I have worked in schools where giving out sweets and chocolate for birthdays was banned - but as part of healthy school policy rather than no nuts!

i have also worked in a school that banned all nut products; a school (in the USA) that separated children's seating areas in the dining hall according to nut allergies - but served peanut butter and jelly sandwiches as a lunch option.

I now work in a school that reminds children to be sensitive to allergies but does not ban nut products - children are aged 9-13 so less interested in giving sweets out for birthdays.

I had a girl with Coeliac (sp) in my class last year and would provide alternative snacks that i had discussed with her - she was 11 and knew what she could have and liked.

Never and easy thing - schools have different policies but the focus does tend to be on nuts and less attention paid to milk/eggs and cultural preferences re gelatin etc.

Sure to be a contentious issue depending on your experience of nut (or other) allergies.

catwalker · 01/05/2009 10:03

Now that we're almost done with primary school (No. 3 in Yr5) I find I've gone throught he whole range of emotions about the birthday sweets thing. In reception/Yr1 I felt outraged that parents thought it was OK for sweets (often rather crappy ones) and chocolate to be handed out to my kids. I've been rather worn down over the years and now just shrug my shoulders.

I think sweets/choc should be banned at school. One parent might bring in decent stuff, another crap. One of my kids had to be really careful with sugar as the enamel hadn't formed properly on his baby molars. I'd got to collect him from school some days and find him with a drumstick lolly or similar shoved up inside his cheek. I remember helping in a class which had an overweight girl whose parents had decreed no treats. So she wasn't allowed to take part in the birthday sweets - imagine how she felt. Our primary now has a healthy, no sweets policy and kids take in fruit to share or buy a book or game for the class (though my son's maths teacher happily doles out sweets during lessons in reward for good work ...). Becomes less of an issue higher up primary as kids aren't that bothered about doing it.

bridewolf · 01/05/2009 10:04

dysgu, i am glad you posted ,
because my first thought was that adults have severe allergies as well!!

second point is that a child in that class might have a nut allergy, but the parents might want to keep it confidential.
also other children from other classes , sometimes go into the room.
siblings have nut allergies, younger siblings, so i can understand why a school would come to this kind of rule.

may be a over reaction, but sometimes it might be in place because of a individual childs risk of reaction might be higher than others. esp if other forms of health problems interfere with reaction status.

'may contain' esp in the case of chocolate is a high risk , full stop. cant judge because they have eaten it without reaction previously.
may contain , = lumps/peices of nut.

for instance , mars bars , and snickers share the same line.

common practice to clean lines between products, by using something called 're-work' chocolate. before bars are made, chocolate is pushed through the line, picking up the bits of nut/biscuit from previous bars.
Then is put back in the pot,to make the next batch of nut free choc, like for instance, diary milk bars.
when you eat a bar of chocolate , you open one end of the wrapper and then bite it. you dont look at it to check for lumps of chocolate.

so the 'may' means 'may' because some of the chocolate will not have the re-work in it, so some are free , and some are high level.

russion roulette comes to my mind, when considering chocolate bars with a may contain label.

The same system is also used for many foods, like biscuits.

i stick to the jelly sweets because of the common dairy intolerance or allergy, as well as the nut problem.
however, only use haribo from uk , rather than spain...........as they have nuts on line/site. so some have a warning.

allergies are a complicated business.

madwomanintheattic · 01/05/2009 10:12

we always do haribo. far simpler.

although i once tried to feed a vegetarian child marshmallows... not life threatening, but
fortunately i read the packet in the nick of time...

Stayingsunnygirl · 01/05/2009 10:29

Bridewolf - why would a parent want to keep a nut allergy confidential? If the school/other kids/other parents etc don't know, how can they take the necessary care not to trigger the allergy?

Wrt to the sweets issue, the traces of nuts would be in the sweets, not the packaging, I assume - so there shouldn't be a problem as long as the children are told not to eat the sweets until they've checked with their parents - especially as, in this instance, there were no children with nut allergies in the class! Sounds like the triumph of jobsworthyness over common sense to me.

Peachy · 01/05/2009 10:35

Seems over zealous to me also

DS1 has a casein reactrion and is usually on a gluten free diet; the teacher keeps safe snacks to distribute for just this sort of occurence

You cannot keep an allergy confidential, people have to be aware of them otherwise I would suggest that a parent is behaving irresponsibly..... thre's usually a kid with hidden sweeta in a pocket, a trp to the shop on a school trip etc.

DS1 and ds3 have an intolerance which though not life threatening is still serious in that it gives them severe pain, diarrhoea that is explosive and is related to a severe drop in behaviour / communication (is linked to their ASD we and many beleive). There are notes ins chool, we have had to have meetings with school dinner services and LEA Paed Dieticians..... that's important

Peachy · 01/05/2009 10:35

Seems over zealous to me also

DS1 has a casein reactrion and is usually on a gluten free diet; the teacher keeps safe snacks to distribute for just this sort of occurence

You cannot keep an allergy confidential, people have to be aware of them otherwise I would suggest that a parent is behaving irresponsibly..... thre's usually a kid with hidden sweeta in a pocket, a trp to the shop on a school trip etc.

DS1 and ds3 have an intolerance which though not life threatening is still serious in that it gives them severe pain, diarrhoea that is explosive and is related to a severe drop in behaviour / communication (is linked to their ASD we and many beleive). There are notes ins chool, we have had to have meetings with school dinner services and LEA Paed Dieticians..... that's important

Peachy · 01/05/2009 10:36

(we appreciate Haribo btw for guten reasons)

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