Feeling a bit let down about a job thats not all its been made out to be

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Thats it really.I was at the top of my grade and got a job acting up as a manager at the start of a massive restructure.Salary wise I only got a rise of £80 a month.I had lots of management experience as used to be a manager in my other line of work (changed careers 6 years ago as wanted more flexible working as started family)

Its been very hard managing change and I have felt that on in some ways I have carried others.There have been days when I have had to do my job and others.I was told that as part of the restructure the deputy head would go and the managers would go up a grade giving me a £350 monthly pay rise.Its been constantly thrown at me when we have had the work piled on.

Anyhow I got the job (no longer acting into it) but despite shaving off the deputy head the grade has not gone up so no extra rise. Feel a bit cheated
Feel like a mule thats followed a carrot up a hill with a pack on its back and the carrot was swiped at the top

When I told boss she said she was angry as she thought I was ungrateful!!!

That's so shit- totally misleading...I would be fuming. They lied then, basically?

not at all ungrateful! You were promised a raise which is not going to happen. That is not fair! Did you get anything in writing? Is there anyone more senior than your boss you can go to? I think you should complain because you were promised something and they shouldn't just decide they aren't going to do it now

Have you got anything in writing? Were any of your colleagues at the same level promised the same thing?

all managers were acting up from same grade

some managers were on one grade and others (me inc) on lower.Thats because we managed different staff.In the restructure one grade of staff were disestablished and as a result all managers now manage existing staff (all same grade)

the grade for the new managers is the same and has been renamed and is a cross of both old grade managers.As a result those managers on higher grade have dropped in at a much higher rate. I though as we were all acting we would all start off on the new grade at the same.But again another fat no.

nothing in writing all verbal.

the head had to take long term leave and the dep had to act up to head. now the dep is being distestablished but the dep is now acting head and the head is her dep.They both have to interview for the head job.The head is being given really trivial work to do and its very very sad to see

not a nice place at the mo

Grateful?

Why do you have to be grateful? Does it have something in your job description that says you should be?

Sounds as though your manager is fobbing you off and trying to make you feel guilty so she does not have to deal with the issue.

Fair enough if budgets have changed and they now annot afford it but this should have been discussed with you.

Hope you ahve something in writing aboyt this salary change once the Deputy goes. If so, might be worth posting in Employment for expert advice.

Good luck

You work in local government, right? Then the new post should have been subject to job evaluation. Has it?

If it has, well, I'm afraid your post, unless grade unfairly or inaccurately, is paid correctly according to your council's scheme. Did you participate in the grade evaluation? As it is a new post, it might be worth submitting a regrading application when you've got your feet under the table a bit, if you can demonstrate that the duties are substantially different to the original job evaluation. That sometimes happens with new posts.

If it hasn't been graded, then you need to get it formally graded by your council's scheme.

In my experience, grading matters are often misunderstood by managers who'll try anything on to get people to act up. In other circumstances, people make all sorts of assumptions about what a post should be graded, or what they are worth in terms of their skills. What they forget is that the post is graded, not the person, so it isn't a reflection of your worth or your capabilities.

This has happened to me with every job i've ever had, but most candidates when you interview them give you a load of crap about their skills, qualifications and intentions too so a bit of honesty alround probably wouldn't go a miss.
Am sorry for you though, it's not fair.

doesn't sound brilliant. What people say and what people do are too often v different things. Particularly if you are dealing w weak managers who often say what they think you want to hear without ever intending to act upon it. You can always be grateful for an opportunity to work at a higher level with more recognition, but that absolutely doesn't mean that you should work for less than your true value. Do you have any evidence that your peers are being paid more? If you are doing the same job, you should be at least in the same salary ball park? Other factors would surely come into it, like experience, number of staff managed, complexity of role etc, but even still, if there is a recognised pay structure based on grade, shouldn't that be followed?

llareggub

yes its been through evaluation and they said they would appeal as once as your rightly put it, get our feet under the table, we might stand a better chance

the budget is set for the year so they could afford it.

i guess it was the dep oops head suggestion that i was ungrateful plus the disappointment over the lack of cash thats made me feel rather pissed off

im off this week on leave with kids and it came just in time

i have seen the salary list

two of the managers who were prev acting on higher grade are one and two bars above me

i manage the most staff so its not based on that. in new scheme of things we are all supposed to be equal

I would consider putting something in writing to someone above your manager/HR.

It's easier to not keep a record of a discussion whereas if they receive a querie in writing they have to put it on record and reply in kind.

Try to think of dates of discussions you had with individuals about this and make a note in the letter.

one of the other managers want to take it to the union but i think i have no fight left

i have seen another job so i am going to have a crack at that and put all my energy into that instead

If it has been evaluated then it will have been assessed over a range of factors, not just numbers of staff managed. The other managers on a higher grade may be on protected salaries, in that if the new grade is lower than their previous grade then their salaries will be protected for up to 3 years under LG terms and conditions.

It is sometimes quite difficult to grade a new job, and even more difficult to appeal against the grade as you'll have little evidence on which to make your claim. Saying you were promised more will hold little weight because in LG until a job has been evaluated by trained assessors, no manager can really promise anything.

I'd grit your teeth, get into the job and if you feel it is truly under-graded after 6 months or so, submit a grading claim. In the meantime, if you see any jobs internally which you feel carry equivalent responsibility, but are graded higher, keep the JDs as evidence to support your re-grading.