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To think my sil should stop blaming us for her dh's affairs?

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Poppity · 14/04/2009 16:36

A couple of years ago my sil called very upset asking dh to collect her. She had been told by a man that her dh was having a long running affair with his dw.
She confronted her dh about it, he denied it to some degree, saying the ow was being vindictive, and swore on their dc's lives that it had never happened before.

But...about 8 yrs previously I had seen some texts which had been sent by him to a friend, not realising who it was until a few weeks after the penny dropped. The texts were heavily flirtatious, enough to make me raise my eyebrows, but that's all.
I told dh, and as we knew the friend was quite a flirty type, we thought that was probably just it, however we kept ours eyes peeled, but nothing else appeared to happen.
A few months later, dh casually asked friend about it, she said nothing had happened between them.
About 6 years ago friend and her now dh were at a social do with us when sil and her dh were also there.
About two years ago, dh asked her again, and she admitted they had kissed.
Dh went to his parents asking what to do, they said leave it alone, it was years ago, and maybe they've already sorted it privately.

So, when she said he swore on their lives, I opened my big mouth and told her something might have happened before, and what we knew.

It transpired that he had had many many affairs, before and since.

She now won't talk to us, saying that we should have confronted her dh, or told her, when we knew. She feels we have betrayed her and that we could have prevented all the affairs if we had said something, she can't believe we were heartless enough to bring this friend along to the function they were all at(we never would if we had known the full story).
She is still with him, and I guess it's her way of coping with his betrayal, but it's getting worse. I do understand she must be hurting terribly, but do we have to bear the brunt of the blame when we would rather be there for her?
She won't come to any family things if we are there, doesn't buy the usual presents for us or our dcs (we still do for her and hers), and regularly blames us to everyone for her life being over. (don't get me wrong I don't think the presents are important, I just wish she wouldn't extend it to the children, who often ask after their aunt/uncle/cousins).

My dh is so upset by this. He tries to talk to her, but she either won't see him, or just doesn't seem to believe when we say we thought it was just the texts and we would be stirring up trouble for nothing. He wishes he had said something a couple of years ago when he knew they had kissed, but his family put him off, and it did seem to be the right thing to do as such time had passed, although it always bothered us.
I better just add that they always seemed blissfully perfect couple like- he very devoted and caring etc. We had no idea whatsoever that they had problems.

I wish I had never said anything, but having previously been in a being cheated on situation, I was immensely grateful to the people who told me, even though they too had known for ages, I knew it must have taken real courage to tell me.

So any ideas? What should we do?

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nickschick · 14/04/2009 16:40

Tbh its always the messenger that gets blamed I would have kept schtum....

Now to move forward you should either visit her or send a card saying we are sorry you got hurt we didnt intend to be part of it but lets move forward we are here for you when you are ready,and leave it at that the ball is then in her court.

MorrisZapp · 14/04/2009 16:49

I found your post a bit confusing to read - sorry.

I have no personal experience of this but from what I've read on here women will try to blame just about anybody but their DH for his affair/s. That way they can rebuild the trust with him, and allow themselves to think that it's up to other people to make sure he doesn't do it again.

You can't win - if you had told her the bad news she'd probably have hated you for that too. I know this sounds daft, but she would associate you with the news forever.

I know a bit how that feels - again it sounds daft but I remember the exact moment my workmate walked over to me and said 'there are planes flying into buildings in America' and to this day a very small and shameful part of me blames that workmate for 9/11. As if somehow if she hadn't opened her big mouth I would never have had to know about it. Crazy and irrational, of course.

nickschick · 14/04/2009 16:52

MorrisZapp re your twin towers thing I am exactly the same!!! I thought it was swerdness isolated to just me!!!!!

nickschick · 14/04/2009 16:53

swerdness= weirdness sorry

MuffinBaker · 14/04/2009 16:56

I think you are being blamed as she doesn't want to blame her husband.

Maybe she feels you have all ben discussing it and she is too ashamed to face you.

If she won't see or talk to you why not write a letter. Tell her the little you knew, that you were advised by someone else it was best not to interfere and she seemed so happy that you didn't want to spoil things.

She is hurting and shooting the messenger is how she is dealing with it.

Poppity · 14/04/2009 17:01

I found it pretty confusing to write too....and long!

I know I'm the messenger

We've tried visiting and sending cards several times. The last time we spoke to her dh (she wouldn't come to the phone) we said that we would be here when she was ready did just what you said, left the ball in her court.

It just seems so sad when it's family.

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nkf · 14/04/2009 17:03

Poor poor woman. She can't bear to face anyone I expect. Basically, she has an arse for a husband and everyone has known or at least suspected the fact for some time. That, I imagine, is how she is feeling. Not sure what you can do except keep the door open.

Poppity · 14/04/2009 17:03

BTW MZ, I had that with Princess Di, you're not alone!

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HecatesTwopenceworth · 14/04/2009 17:24

She's angry with you because she doesn't want to be angry with him. She wants someone other than him to blame. She wants it to not be his fault, because it's less painful than accepting that he chose to shit all over her.

If you had told her, she would still have stayed with him and she would still have blamed you for causing her pain.

She probably feels a total fool. Poor woman.

GorgonsGin · 14/04/2009 17:33

small comfort, but would your SIL have believed you, even if you had told her? Doesn't sound like she wants to believe her husband it a total sh*t now she knows the truth.

What if you had told her? I agree with the "shoot the messenger" comments. She could then have blamed you and your DH for telling her/ruining her life/making her face up to somehting she doesn't want to know.

You wonder if she has been turning a blind eye to his behaviour if there have been "many, many affairs" as you say?

LuluisgoingtobeanAunty · 14/04/2009 17:36

totally agree with hecate

she wants to try and keep some sort of normality intact and her feelings about her husband intact, therefore if she shifts the blame, it absolves him of responsibility

he sounds like a tosser, but he is her tosser and she clearly wants to ignore what is at the root of the problem

compo · 14/04/2009 17:38

yanbu but there is nothing you can do
just tell her you'll always be there for her and leave her to it

Poppity · 14/04/2009 17:40

I should say we knew about the kiss a few months before the man told her about the affair, I re read my post, it's very winding, sorry

Hecates and nkf you're both right and he is an arse. I guess we just have to wait and wait, I sooo don't want it to drive a wedge between us.

He still talks to us weirdly, although I don't trust him, and I'm sure the whole 'if they'd just spoken out none of this would've happened' idea has come from him

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Poppity · 14/04/2009 17:41

Thanks everyone, I feel better about leaving the next step to her after your comments.
I had been feeling like we were abandoning her

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2rebecca · 14/04/2009 20:39

The timescale is confusing . How long has she not been talking to you? 2 years? That is a long time. I think all your husband can do is keep up the occasional phone call, birthday and xmas cards with letters in etc to his sister so the door is open if she wants to reestablish a relationship.
You both haven't done anything wrong. If she's a reasonable person she'll see this ? with the help of her parents. If she's not then perhaps your husband is better without her until she sees sense.
Leave things with your husband, inlaw involvement just complicates things.

Poppity · 14/04/2009 23:00

Ok

8 yrs ago I saw the texts from him to a friend

6 years ago we were all at a do together

2 and a bit yrs ago dh discovered it was a kiss too.

2 yrs ago sil discovered affair.

About 20 months ago pretty much stopped talking to us.

Initially she did talk to us, she was desperate to know as much as possible about the ow that we knew, and whether we were hiding anything else from her.

This was interspersed with her being extremely angry at us, and gradually the anger seemed to overtake everything else.

We last saw her about a year ago, and spoke to her maybe 6 months ago briefly. She rang me and defiantly told me I had to tell my friend she'd ruined her life and she hoped it happened to her one day, and how did I feel about having to do that? I said I would speak to her if that would make her feel better. She rang back later and told me not to.

During this time her dh has turned up several times saying 'don't tell her this' about some minor detail re the friend. Or telling us about how he hasn't told her certain things as she is already hurt enough. It seems she has said we have told her certain things re his sex life in order to get more info out of him (we know nothing more than the texts and kiss).

Since then dh has tried to speak and sent cards etc, but she has not responded and refuses to see either of us or our children.

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thumbwitch · 14/04/2009 23:04

she's transferring all her anger and hatred for her DH's affairs onto you and your DH so she doesn't have to put it where it belongs and deal with it.

Nothing you can do about it except be there for her whenever she decides she does need your help (which may be never because she sees you as being complicit in the affairs).

really for you but it is a bit of a lost cause, unless she decides to actually blame the correct person and kick him out!

DivamakesKimchi · 14/04/2009 23:23

agree with others, she is shooting the messenger, as she does not want to blame her adulterious husband
sadly someone people seem to choose to deal that way, im so sorry you are happen to be the one to be blamed.

solidgoldshaggingbunnies · 14/04/2009 23:32

It is hard and there is nothing you can do apart from sending birthday cards or other gestures to the effect that the door is always open.
Mind you, might be worth saying to her H that you actually don't want to be piggy-in-the-middle with his relationship problems and will he kindly leave you out of it and sort his own lovelife out.

echt · 14/04/2009 23:32

You might also think of telling her DH not to come to you with more info about the OW. He's adding fuel to the fire, or is this more information you have to sit on which could come out at a later date to bite you?

thumbwitch · 14/04/2009 23:38

yes, as echt says, I was going to add that as well - if you stop talking to her DH she might be more open to resuming relations with you herself - you could be seen as allying yourself with "the enemy" by her.

Poppity · 15/04/2009 18:08

Thanks for your messages everyone.

He does put us in a difficult position.

He drops in uninvited, I'm quite blunt with him, as I often feel he's trying to get some sort of apology out of me.

But I think you're right, I'm just going to have to turn him away if he does show up again.(DH never has the heart to do things like this).

I don't know if he tells her he's been here- he always tells us not to mention he's been. Uggh, more secrets.(incidentally, I wouldn't hide it from her)

Reading all this he really is horrid isn't he?poor sil, she used to be so nice.

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Poppity · 15/04/2009 18:09

ooo that sounds bad, I know she still is underneath it all

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