or what is reasonable pay for a nanny doing this potential job?

[Dillydaydreamer]

I am hoping to do my HV training soon and will need a nanny from 7.30-4.30/5ish mon-friday. No weekends/Bank hols or babysitting duties. To live out.
2 dds- 3.5 and 18mths both in good routines and well behaved for other people!
Daily duties would be to get children washed/dressed and breakfasts, take dd1 to pre-school each morning and dd2 to nursery (2 mornings) or an activity. Pick up at 12 then lunch.
Children sleep in the afternoon for 1.5-2.5hrs. In this time I expect dishes from meals washed and evening meal prepped if needed. That would be for all the family as we always eat as a family. Nothing complicated as we aren't fussy
I then expect the nanny to rest for an hour lunch
I expect her to take coffee when possible
Extra jobs only expected when both children are at school (3hrs for 2 mornings)
switch washer on which I load.
ironing (childrens only)
hoover/dust/tidy/sort childrens clothes etc in their rooms.
There could be odd occasions where she/he would be needed until 6pm but plenty of warning.
Do I sound like a good employer?
How much would you expect to be paid?

but to be honest, if you find that looking after you kids (even with preschool and naps) is hardly demanding, then bugger me.

Oh believe me we have tried to push later, especially on holiday when up til 10 for a week. Still rose at 7 every day and had more and more sleep during the day, so we couldn't do anything I am no pushover but I have failed to crack them with later rising

I do at the moment salome but dd1 only goes 2 mornings atm as she isn't funded until after easter and dd2 hasn't started yet! So I have 1 every day and 2 on 3 days who fight. This will be much easier once both go to nursery

I used to have dd1 15mths and mindees 17 and 18mths and one school age 4yo. That was demanding The babies were all home as well!

Dilly, I suppose what I am trying to say is that we cannot find anyone to be 'us'. because we are mums and partners and housekeepers and wage earners all in one. Who in their right minds would take that on? oops. Yes, we did. But I would not expect anyone to take all of that on as a job.

Well no, I am also a CM and feed/wash up after my mindees including evening meal as my current one doesn't leave until 6/6.30pm.
I wouldn't expect any laundry or ironing/cleaning rooms if my dds were not at preschool/nursery. What will the nanny do for 6hrs when there are no children? Go shopping while I pay wages, watch TV?

maybe I am a bit jealous also. As a single mum, working full time I had to put my ds in nursery aged 3 from 8 - 6, then leave work early (to much black looks despite being my hours) to pick him up, get home, feed, bath bed...but a nanny was beyond my reach.

But also having been a nanny also way back then, it was always hard to say no to the ever increasing demands made on me by mums who just treated me like the house slave, despite my job spec.

I also have to clarify that the bedrooms are like postage stamps and to hoover the whole upstairs takes me 15mins. There are no toys in the dd2s room and tidying dd1s room involves neatly stacking toys under her cabin bed!! I don't expect immaculate, just not to trip over stuff when I put her to bed!

ALthough your children might sleep for up to 2 and half hours every afternoon, is it really realistic to think that will continue? Your older one is 3 and a half so surely soon she will be awake all day?

I don't think your nanny should be cooking your evening meal or switching your washing machine on. While the evening meal is for the children, she will not be there when they eat it so it is not her responsibility.

I used to have a day nanny and she did nothing apart from look after the children and make their lunch (sandwiches).

No wonder people are always complaining about nannies leaving if they treat them like servants.

but those hours are your routine you have set up. A nanny would be available to care for your dcs full time. You can't expect a professional to fill in the spare bits you have created with your household chores! Give her those mornings off! don't pay her! You can't have it all ways! I already said she can do food prep and kids tidying and ironing. that should fill it up pretty much.

I see why you were resentful, but I honestly would not up the anti. The jobs I have specified are truly the only ones I need done and if I can I will get a cleaner as well. I am by no means rich but a nanny is far cheaper for my circumstances with 2 children under 4yo.
I had to stop nursing because it was financially not rewarding enough after paying for my then dd1s childcare. I became a CM because it was better paid and I like children.

I do see where you are coming from. But I guess the only thing would be don't turn down a fabulous nanny just because she/he has firm ideas about the boundaries of the job. The things you want are extras. If you can get them and the lovely nanny, then rock on. If not, then its bite the bullet and do 15mins prep food when you get home. Welcome to my world

Salome, that is an idea. I could say she won't be paid for those hours or can do the extra duties and be paid, her choice
I don't expect a servant. I only expect her to do childrens chores and to prep perhaps 2 meals on the days dds are both at school.
our meals go something like this
Monday pasta and chicken/bacon bake, nothing required as takes 45 mins
Tues beef in ale with mash and veg - no veg prep as frozen peas and sweetcorn, just peel potatoes and turn oven on.
Weds gammon, egg chips and beans- nothing for nanny to do
Thursday - cottage pie with carrots - nothing for nanny to do as enough time to prep carrots
Friday- fishfingers veg and chips for dds and we have take away
So hardly any prep, only the odd thing.

Can I come to yours for tea?

Come on in!

Yum. I'll bring pud then.

TBH if my nanny couldn't be bothered to have dinner at home she would be welcome to eat with us if she wanted to

Ooh that sounds good what we having tomorrow?

Dilly, you're saying that it takes hardly any time to hoover your upstairs and peel potatoes and so on. So get up early, peel your own potatoes and hoover your own upstairs.

The point is, this prospective childcare professional is neither a cook or a cleaner. Getting someone in who will work from 7.30 -9.00 and then not work and get no pay for 3 hours and then work 12 -16.30 is unlikely; they will just look for a job with better hours.

You may be able to find a nanny that agrees to cook and clean, but there will be women like me, that she will meet at children's activities, who just want childcare and nothing more, possibly with only 1 child at home and 1 at school all day, who will poach her from you.

If you want a nanny, and want to keep her, treat her like a childcare professional.

night for now

ooh, crumble with real custard, passion fruit roulade (ta the Nigel for that) all sorts really. Food is my passion (after grog!).

Goodnight dilly, dream sweet dreams of flexible nannies and superlative puds.

So what will the professional do without dds to care for? How will she fill 6hrs?
I haven't said she needs to do the whole upstairs and if I read nanny specs it is expected that nannies do childrens laundry, clean toys, sort their clothes, hoover and tidy their toys in the rooms. The only thing I am asking for is to perhaps put potatoes on and turn oven knob once per week, twice max in return shehas 6hrs with no children.
I only expect her to do hoover/tidy on one morning, not do it for the sake of making work on both mornings.

Night salome Will dream about your lovely puds