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to think a decent schools careers advisory service or educated parents is the only way to get a career?

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chocolatecremeegg · 27/03/2009 17:20

I have an OK job which has taken me a long time to get, had to work my way up literally from the bottom. I can't help wondering though, whether if I'd had a good careers advisor/teacher at school I could have achieved my real potential. I wanted to be a social worker but was told this would be to stressful and advised to become a secretary. Nothing against being a secretary but I was getting really good grades, was young and enthusiastic and thought I could be "more". Unfortunately my mum, a single parent, was to busy holding down 2 jobs to raise me and my sisters so obviously didn't have a lot of time or experience to encourage me to broaden my horizons. I just wish a careers advisor/teacher had said to us all at school "why don't you think about being an optician, dentist, accountant, doctor etc etc" and this is how you do it. What makes people at a young age know for e.g they want to be a dentist? When I look at my very high achieving colleagues, many of them seem to come from very well off backgrounds and went to excellent schools. What I'm trying to say really is this: If your come from a background where no-one in your family has ever had a "professional" job or vocation and you go to a crappy school with no careers guidance, do you ever stand a chance of getting into professions like medicine or law? I feel so sad sometimes because I know if someone had sat me down and told me that it was possible for someone like me to think of e.g being a vet I know I would have thought seriously about it and my whole life could have been different.

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MrsStig · 28/03/2009 17:38

quiz.ivillage.co.uk/uk_work/tests/career.htm

This came up with 15 different jobs for me - none of which I do.

I had no careers advice at 16, but at 18 a careers advisor (what type of career is that anyway? ) used a computer program to decide I should be a social worker or police woman. I remember returning to the common room and rolling around on the floor laughing.

Peachy · 28/03/2009 17:54

I anted to do 3 sciences, I was told girls should do typing and stopped from doing physics. I had top of class grades in physics, too, and found that easier than chemistry.

but what happens at 14 is only part of it, I now have my degree and God wilig whn the boys are sorted can utilise it.

It's not the only way, decent careers advice and educated parents, but I imagine the easiest way.

Peachy · 28/03/2009 17:56

OOOOh JH I ahd that asnwer at schoolc areers day: it apparently means you are caring .

Focus on that rather than the grim fqces and embalming fluid

purpleduck · 28/03/2009 18:46

"However, what I would expect is to be given information on as many career paths as possible so that I can make an informed choice. Surely the job of a careers advisor is to make people aware about careers they may otherwise not have considered/known about and how to pursue these"

YES!!! that is the job!! NOT to meet with someone for 20 mins, then tell them they are best suited to being a secretary/hairdresser/builder

Lilymaid · 28/03/2009 18:50

When I had my one and only careers advice in Y11 at a grammar school, I was warned that whatever I said I wanted to do, the adviser would suggest air traffic control. So I went in and said I was considering becoming a teacher or a lawyer and the adviser then suggested that I became an air traffic controller.

Quattrocento · 28/03/2009 18:54

Why shouldn't careers advisors look at people's aptitudes, their capabilities and then spend some time discussing what careers mean - what the consequences on family life and on money etc of the choices being made at a relatively young age.

Lilymaid · 28/03/2009 19:07

Lots of independet schools offer MOrrisby testing. Both my DSs have had some, but DS1 commented to me that nearly everyone in his year at school got similar results and recommendations for careers, so perhaps it isn't all that wonderful.

Peachy · 28/03/2009 19:21

I just did that test mrsstig, it gave me the job I did, the job I ant to do, the one I'd secretly do in dream world, and the one I'd never evr do in a thousand years (stockbroker)

Odd

JazzHands · 28/03/2009 19:35

Oooh peachy I wanted to do science and maths and did - my best subject was physics too - and I went on to do a degree in it. Can't believe they stopped you - I had a quick peek at your profile and we are the same age - i thought all that nonsense had died out by our generation.

Have not ended up in a science job but have utilised my maths a little - and I enjoyed the course it was very interesting - and of course I love when people ask teh small blonde female what their degree is in

Should've done engineering though, with hindsight.

Going to do mrsstig's test now...

Peachy · 28/03/2009 19:39

Ah but JH where I grew up really is ten years behind the times, sady.

I was amde to ditch ES (environmental science- my school had a farm) for needlework too

The subject I ended up studying to degree wasn't offered at mys chool (RE) after 14, so frankly the last 2 years were a waste for me- my maths / English etc GCSE's were gained much later.

JazzHands · 28/03/2009 19:45

It's such a waste peachy. So impressed that you stuck with it though and got what you wanted in the end.

I just hope things will be better for my DD but from what I can see there is more pressure these days on girls to conform to a certain stereotype of feminity which means sciences etc may well still be way down the list.

My jobs! * Novelist

  • Photographer
  • Vet
  • Medical Technician
  • Paralegal
  • Geologist
  • Marine Biologist
  • Graphic Designer
  • Online Content Developer
  • Webmaster
  • Computer Security
  • Producer
  • Computer Programmer
  • Technical Writer
  • Systems Analyst
  • Meteorologist
  • Artist

Quite a range! The computer stuff is probably right but unappealing, the "ologys" all sounds good though And not a dead body in sight!

Right where's that OU prospectus...

duchesse · 28/03/2009 19:46

Yes, even now. I used to teach entire 30-strong classes of 15 yr old would-be mechanics and beauticians, and they were not getting any kind of sensible careers advice. I mean, there is a limit to the number of car mechanics and beauticians any country needs...

Peachy · 28/03/2009 19:48

I'm going to get DH to do it later, he's just applied for Uni.

Why is it that girls are so ... girly now? Admitt4edly I ahev 4 boys but from what I see they are very (in general, not all I know) pinky, princessy, barbiefied in a way my generation weren't - we didnt wear pink, wanted to be anything but WAGs and owned oy agrages not barbie mansions

JazzHands · 28/03/2009 19:51

Things do seem to be backsliding on that front. I hope that when DD goes to school I am proved wrong. So much empahsis on appearance so young these days, I just can't imagine any of the girls I see trotting to school happily whiling their hours away with a pair of unattractive science goggles on and a shapeless lab coat...

Mind you i did notice the goggles they wear in Bones look suspiciously designer. Maybe if they introduced those...

ZZZen · 28/03/2009 20:11

Ok I did that quiz and I am pretty unsure what to think of it. Apparently I am a great leader (there is no evidence of this so far in my life tbh)

I should become --- a lawyer (which is what I trained to do) and never much liked

Or a financial advisor (that is so far off, I have been ROFL. I am such a zero at that kind of thing, ask dh)

And some stuff that also never occurred to me - hotel manager (might have liked that), teacher (God forbid) or having said the last thing - religious minister (which I really like)

Quite fancy myself as a religious minister but how did that get in there when they don't ask you about beliefs?!

ZZZen · 28/03/2009 20:15

I also got politician (watch out Britain!), estate agent (possible), and GP. Then there's Director (director of what eh?)

Imagine you go to careers advisory service and they say, oh I think you should become a director. Big help. Or do they mean film director perhaps. That sounds glam.

Peachy · 29/03/2009 10:38

ZZZen I got Minister as well,funny as I think had my life turned out differently that was what I am made to do,and my degree is in RE.

I am wondering f it only ahs two lists LOL- DH got the same as JH. he's about to do a degree in satge and screen lighting and technology, strong IT and traffic planning background.

ZZZen · 29/03/2009 12:09

you could still do it peachy. It's funny how they devised that quiz because when I was answering : I speak without thinking, I get bored easily, I talk a lot etc etc , I thought I would end up with the WoRST possible jobs because I don't sound like good employee material and I got I am a great leader. Very odd.

Should we start our own sect maybe? Is there any future in it, what do you think?

Peachy · 29/03/2009 18:21

Oh absolutely laods in it; i'm great at the abckup and academic /literature side...I'll write discover a faith book or two, you sell it to a few gullible ready people and then we're onto a winner

scienceteacher · 29/03/2009 18:31

My DS1 (aged 17) has had a couple of consultations with a career advice company. He basically had to fill in questionnaires where he says what he likes and dislikes, and academic profile, and they come up with matches.

We have been satisfied with the results, but we did have to pay (about £70 each).

We feel that having finally narrowed down his choices, that he will get good strategic information at his school as to which course and where, and how to do his UCAS statement.

Babbity · 29/03/2009 18:57

Which compay was that scienceteacher? Sounds interesting.

Quattrocento · 29/03/2009 21:38

I'm losing faith in testing. I did the test posted below and it came up with a number of options all of which are barking, as they all require either artistic talent (of which I have none) or science/computers (ditto):

Novelist
Photographer
Vet
Medical Technician
Paralegal
Geologist
Marine Biologist
Graphic Designer
Online Content Developer
Webmaster
Computer Security
Producer
Computer Programmer
Technical Writer
Systems Analyst
Meteorologist
Artist

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