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to think ds shouldn't have been shifted out from his class because the ofsted inspector was coming

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gemmiegoatlegs · 20/03/2009 21:43

I was aware that Ofsted were coming into ds' school this week. Today when I picked ds he told me the usual friday actiivity afternoon had been cancelled and he had been taken out of the class to do some work with the TA as the class was having an important visitor.

Some background on ds . he is in year1 and one of the youngest in his class. he has problems with his concentration and behaviour at school and has been put on the school special needs register, awaiting assessment by the Ed Psych.
Now as far as I am aware he is the only 'problem' kid in his class.

So surely the OFSTED inspector shoyuld have been observing a true Y1 class, not a class with all the bad elements removed.

Now I know its possible there is a reasonable explanation but the idea that he has been removed so he doesn't show the class up is appalling to me

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LadyOfWaffle · 20/03/2009 21:45

There was a thread about similar a while ago - disgusting. I would call Ofsted.

Lilyloo · 20/03/2009 21:45

Not at all surprised i think this happens in a lot of schools.

IwishIwasmoreorganised · 20/03/2009 21:46

YANBU. I would have to speak to the teacher about this.

HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 20/03/2009 21:48

Ask why he was removed.

It might be that it was becuse they thought the OFSTED inspector would unsettle him - not to hide him as such.

OTOH, it might be what you suspect. Worth looking at anyway.

callmeovercautious · 20/03/2009 21:48

Get the schools side and if you are not happy with the explanation call OFSTED.

duckyfuzz · 20/03/2009 21:48

most schools do this I'm afraid

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 20/03/2009 21:48

I'd question the school and inform ofsted.

gemmiegoatlegs · 20/03/2009 21:49

I was just talking to dh about that. Do I approach with an accusation or say that ds told me he had to go out with TA and was sad to miss the important visitor, could they please explain why?

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herbietea · 20/03/2009 21:49

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HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 20/03/2009 21:50

Most schools do this?

How do you know? Why do they do it? Do OFSTED know ?

Wigglesworth · 20/03/2009 21:51

Firstly contact the school/teacher and ask what the reason for him being taken out of class was first. If it is as you suspect and they wanted to put on a fake front then phone ofsted.
Where I work we are audited so that we can have an accreditation and every year the managers shit their pants and make us do stuff we would NEVER do if they were not there. It's just so fony. It really infuriates me, if you are doing everything as you should be then you have nothing to worry about IMO.

FiveGoMadInDorset · 20/03/2009 21:51

I would go with the ds is sad becuase he missed the special visitor route and see what their reactions are verbally and physically (i.e. do they squirm, stutter etc.)

Lilyloo · 20/03/2009 21:54

HerBella from previous work experience.
I think the fact that ofsted announce their visit makes this easy to do.

Wigglesworth · 20/03/2009 21:55

Surely ofsted should be basing their report on what the school is REALLY like. I know it must be stressful for teachers but it really is not giving an accurate account of what the school is like if all children who may be hard work are banished. If your child is already having a few issues at school singling him out and getting rid isn't going to help the situation.

gemmiegoatlegs · 20/03/2009 21:55

Obviously, ds' teacher is not going to admit she wanted him out of the way, She is not daft!

I am really worried about battling with the school so early on, we have another 8 years with them and they are great in most respects (fantastic OFSTED reports )

But I feel really strongly that special needs kids should not be hidden or swept under the carpet. If I am ever known as one of those vigilante parents then so be it.

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Wilkiepedia · 20/03/2009 21:57

That is appalling. Am quite shocked actually.

I would be livid if it is what you suspect. Definitely speak to the school and if you are still not happy phone Ofsted.

Appalling.

Heated · 20/03/2009 22:00

There is an alternative viewpoint, although I'm not saying that putting your ds with the TA wasn't also expedient for classroom management when being inspected. The teacher may have been showing how all children's needs are being met, including those with SEN, so your ds was given individual TA support. In the lesson plan she would have to indicate how many children are in the class, how many have SEN (and a host of other things). The lesson plan also indicates how you utilise TAs and what their focus is.

All schools do things different when Ofsted are there. Even those who have nothing to hide, will have to alter the lesson to squeeze in all the aspects Ofsted want to see. It is bollocks exasperating but how it is.

southeastastra · 20/03/2009 22:02

i think ofsted need ofsteding themselves

kickassangel · 20/03/2009 22:03

i am quite that so many people think schools do this a lot.
i tuaght for 12 years, had inspections in 3 different schools, and never saw this happen.

one school, publicly berated by blunket as one of the worst 50 in britain, had REAL problems with pupils carrying out planned & co-ordinated sabotage of lessons with inspectors in the room. even then, the inspectors expected to see the whole class, but did allow teachers to make a note of which pupils were causing the porblem s(sec school.)

inspectors see the class register, talk to the kids & are aware on any sn. they should be picking up on any 'covering up' that goes on

i would def ask what was going on

gemmiegoatlegs · 20/03/2009 22:05

at no point did ds meet "the important visitor", she nevercame out to see what he was doing in his one on one with the TA.
As far as I am aware he never usually has one on one time, although sometimes goes to another room for class in a small group

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brimfull · 20/03/2009 22:12

Don't parents normally get a chance to see the ofsted inspector ,I know we have had a parents evening when ofsted inspected.I mean all parents invited into hall for Q&A session.
Also we got a questionnaire home about our views of the school during the inspection.
Both giving you a chance to bring this up.

gemmiegoatlegs · 20/03/2009 22:15

we got a questionnaire before the inspection. i wrote some really nice things on it

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brimfull · 20/03/2009 22:17

Oh .
I'd write or call them then if you decide the school really were covering up/

edam · 20/03/2009 22:19

I'd contact Ofsted yourself, if I were you. If he doesn't usually have 1-1 outside the main classroom, what other explanation can there be other than the one you suspect?

mumto2andnomore · 20/03/2009 22:22

Which days were ofsted in ? Id be surprised if they were observing classes on a friday afternoon,if they were in on a friday they would be preparing their report by then so dont assume the worst.

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