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To think my friend should not be receiving a disabled carer's allowance?

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TiggyR · 17/02/2009 12:23

I have just found out that my friend receives £500 a month as disabled carer's allowance for her teenaged daughter. She has a genetic condition which I will not name for fear of someone recognising her in this post. She has had various health and physical developmental problems in the past admittedly, which led eventually to a diagnosis. Once diagnosed the problems were dealt with and are now under control. The bottom line is that she looks, and sounds like any other teenager, she is in mainstream school, taking mainstream qualifications, she has no sensory problems, no mobility problems, no communication problems. She is not considered to have any major learning difficulties or behavioural ones, and is of normal intelligence. she receives a bit of SEN help, no more than my own child who is mildly dyslexic. She does not require any specially adapted items for the home or travel, she is not in pain, she goes out and about independently and her parents are not unduly inconvenienced or limited in their lifestyle by her condition.

Her only real issues are social and emotional ones, she seems somewhat immature and finds it hard to make close and lasting friendships with girls her own age. They all seem so much more sophisticated in comparison, and she can sometimes struggle to understand subtle social signals, read body language etc. Having said that she is outgoing and talkative, goes to parties, sleepovers, joins clubs etc and lives a perfectly normal and fulfilling life.

Loads of teenagers have those issues to contend with but because they don't have a label attached to them their parents don't get money for it! My friend now seems happy to define her child as 'disabled' whereas I have known this family for years and previously I feel they would have baulked at the word. I can't help feeling a bit cynical TBH.

I don't mean to be uncharitable. I know it devastating for them to discover that their child had to deal with a lifelong condition and all the negative things that go with it, and I don't blame them one bit for taking the attitude that they'll claim what they are entitled to. I know I would, as a way of softening the blow, and to be able to give her treats and pay for hobbies etc, when she's feeling a bit lonely or left out.

I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with the 'disabled' label and the notion that she needs extra care, requiring extra money. She may always be at a bit of a disadvantage socially due to her condition but she will be perfectly capable of living independently and doing a normal job as an adult. I'm not questioning their motivations, rather the assessment procedure and the criteria in place here .....am I being mean?

OP posts:
loopylou6 · 17/02/2009 15:53

yes you are being mean, VERY mean and highly judgmental, you should be glad your 'friend' is getting a bit of extra help, you sound jealous to me tbh

Songbird · 17/02/2009 15:54

Read the whole thread loopy, OP has had her mind widened!

slightlycrumpled · 17/02/2009 15:55

The OP has been back and admitted that she has learnt from this thread.

Weegle · 17/02/2009 16:00

Well done for being open minded...

I actually think DLA (and by association) CA is one of the hardest benefits to diddle. The form you have to complete is about 60 pages alone. You require at least 2 medical professionals (normally GP and consultant, or maybe occupational therapist) to testify on it. Even then, they normally then request a further medical report from your health professionals. They also frequently send out another set of questions to you to cross check your answers. Mine also required supporting statements from individuals who have witnessed the consequences of my condition. They also have the power to send out their own medical professional to assess you independantly. Once you have jumped through that very difficult hoop, you then have to renew it after a few years and be assessed again... it's not exactly like you can "pretend" to have a disability... in most cases the problem is normally the other way round - people deserving of it don't get it. And of course someone who has medical problems is likely receiving treatment, without which, they would have even lower levels of functionality. Hope that helps explain it a bit...

loopylou6 · 17/02/2009 16:00

yes i just have after i posted my reply am glad she saw sense

Songbird · 17/02/2009 16:01

Haha, I did just that earlier!

SalmonintheLiffey · 17/02/2009 16:02

I haven't read the replies, but I receive E290 a month for my son and I'm sure some people would be surprised at that, because he is only 3. But haven't a notion what I've been through, like you don't know what your friend has been through on a daily basis.

But the carer allowance is understood to be given for many reasons, one of which is recognition of loss of earnings, or recognition that it is harder to hold down a job or dedicate yourself 100% to a career when you are the mother of a child with xn. Nothing could have been more true in my case. There is no way I could work and get my son to all the appointments and assessments. But I bet if people have judged me they haven't taken that into account.

Tbh, it sounds quite challenging to me, having a teenager with 'social and emotional needs'.

I'm sure the teenager has been properly assessed by qualified professionals.

I bet if you'd walked in her shoes you wouldn't grudge her the money.

loopylou6 · 17/02/2009 16:02

glad i'm not alone SB

SalmonintheLiffey · 17/02/2009 16:07

OK sorry TiggyR.

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 17/02/2009 16:30

Thak you for taking what has been said on board 'tis very refreshing

TiggyR · 17/02/2009 16:40

That's fine. I often post in haste before I get to the end of the thread! I do want to reiterate though, I never suspected she was fiddling, or that her motives were anything other than sound. And I did say I'd claim too, if I were in her shoes. I was just questioning how eligibility is assessed, and whether the parameters were too wide. To use the word 'just' sound flippant in the face of all the opposition to my post, but YKWIM! Obviously there were many things I failed to take into account.

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slightlycrumpled · 17/02/2009 16:59

Oh Tiggy, I hope I can be as reasonable as you next time lots of people tell me I am being unreasonable!

PeachyHasABrokenKeyboardSorry · 17/02/2009 17:14

Tiggy - well done.

I actually took thedla form to school to show them; they wereamazed howawful they are, you have to try to brekeach aspect of support down to minutes! even then they have tricks suchas awarding it a day before a child is old enough to get mobility (as with us)

sadly though the meeja portrays it as some eassy touch for all comers.

madhairday · 17/02/2009 17:25

Tiggy, great to see you being so reasonable and good natured about all this.
I'm another who fears being judged - I look pretty normal on good days and do school run etc, even go to gym. Yet get DLA, because bad outweighs good and is hideous. But people don't know that because they only see me on the good, iyswim - they have no idea what it's like for me. Hence the why aren't you working, etc. It can be so dispiriting for someone. Maybe your friends daughter has awful days where no one sees her.

chegirl · 17/02/2009 17:45

My DS has very severe eczema and we recieve a small amount of DLA for this reason. But he looks perfectly normal and his skin looks rather good at the moment. It looks like this because of the amount of work that goes into keeping his skin healthy. The medication we give him, the changes we have made to our home etc. So you may think that we dont need it. Maybe your friend has put a lot of work into her DD. Did you say she had a lot of appointments and medications earlier? This would be one of the reasons she gets the money. Her DD would have to be awarded the middle rate of DLA in order for your friend to recieve carers allowance. This is pretty hard to get.

As it goes, pretty much everyone is going to have their DLA stopped at some point and they will have to fight to get it back. There is a major crackdown on the horizon and I am pretty sure who are the families that are going to suffer most. Clue - it wont be the 'I have had a bad back for years' brigade.

bramblebooks · 17/02/2009 18:13

I'm sat here with my lovely little boy, whom I check regularly through the night to ensure that his blood glucose levels are within a safe range. (and throughout the day, I might add). The constant vigilance has got me on medication now, but it's worth the struggle to know his future is safer.
It's exactly as the poster said, and how very true, it's all the effort we put into making the children appear as 'normal' as possible and to give them a 'normal' life.

My dear friend popped over this afternoon and had bought snacks. I was working out the insulin needed and her face fell, saying 'omg, I had forgotten about xxx's needs'. I told her that that was the very best thing that she could have said, as it meant that I was doing my job as well as possible in giving him as normal as possible a life for a little boy with a life-threatening medical condition.

Is botox available on dla, or that face cream that's supposed to make you look as if you hadn't been up all night dealing with a sick child? (joke, there, dla is for HIM!)

PeachyHasABrokenKeyboardSorry · 17/02/2009 19:00

chegirl I think the crackdown will start with adults tbh- that seems to be where you get the false claimants: impossible to get a 3 year old to fake a limp and use a frame.

Hope so anyway, although I know school will back us. We did geta downgrade buit are reaplying now.

chegirl · 17/02/2009 19:54

Wish I could agree with that peachy. My sis already has had her DLA stopped and she isnt a false claiment by any means. I wont go into her personal details but she definately meets the criteria for DLA. I know she isnt a child but what I mean is that the easy, honest ones will be the first to be targeted. Those who dont mind borrowing a wheelchair to go to tribunals will probably blag their way back on to DLA. Those of us who remain slightly embarrassed to claim anything will find it very hard.

I worry a lot about my OH has we rely on his DLA for his car. He cant walk without pain so couldnt get around without it. but he only has MS so I am bracing myself for the horrible brown envelope.

wasaconventgirl · 17/02/2009 19:58

YABU,jealous and nosey.

PeachyHasABrokenKeyboardSorry · 17/02/2009 19:58

Oh definitely the honest ones will get it-reason being they're usually too tired to fight effectively and often put things like DLA on a back burner until too late.

I hope she is getting proper advocacy?

chegirl · 17/02/2009 20:21

Her OH is pretty good at fighting her corner. It makes me so angry I could weep. She is so fab. She never bloody moans. She has put up with so much and gets on with it. Big mistake huh? I was on incapacity for a couple of years. They stopped it last year. TBH I am not totally unable to work and do really want a job. Its just hard for me to do ANY job. I have been really lucky and found a very part time job that I am really looking forward to doing but that was pure good fortune. My sis is in another league and it would be make her condition worse if she was forced into a job (cant see many people wanting to employ her given her medical history)

Sorry this is turning into a rant. But it does illustrate that no everyone LOOKs like they are entitled to disability benefits. Not everyone uses a wheelchair or a white stick.

PeachyHasABrokenKeyboardSorry · 17/02/2009 20:25

I know chegirl (ds'sdont look lie they have sn but get dla,ds1 at HR as he is violent).

Your poor sister, has she actually been refused alllevels ofappeal / tribunal yet?

AnyFucker · 17/02/2009 20:33

wasaconventgirl, read the rest of the thread, love

chegirl · 17/02/2009 20:39

No peachy she is only at the beginning. She has been here before. She has an incurable, degenerative condition. Its amazing that they stop and start her DLA in this way. Its not going to get better. The best she can hope is that its stays the same but thats not likely. So why do they suddenly decide she shouldnt get it anymore? I worked in disability for a fair while and its a story I have heard again and again. Of course they should monitor these benefits but why the ones that have no chance of getting better?

Makes no sense at all.

wasaconventgirl · 17/02/2009 20:53

Thanks Anyfucker for that, love.