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To send this email to fil?

51 replies

MrsFogi · 08/02/2009 22:40

I'm thinking about sending the email below to fil and would like any mners views before I do so. I think the story is pretty self-explanatory from the email: fil promised a loan and gift to dh when we bought our house, we relied on this when we drew up our budget, only very small part of loan/gift has ever materialised. And, yes, he can afford it. I genuinely need to know where we stand in relation to the money and MrFogi has not had the balls to raise it to date with his father. Here goes:

"Dear FIL
I am sending you this email as over the years it has become clear that MrFogi does not feel comfortable raising this with you. I hope you will understand that this email is not meant in any way whatsoever to be antagonistic or to put pressure on you and I am in fact somewhat embarrassed to be writing it to you. However, I hope you will understand that as MrFogi leaves me to sort out the family finances and run our relationship with our bank it is a little difficult for me to do so without accurate information.

When we bought the house back in 200x MrFogi and I worked out a very careful and tight x-year budget as buying a house is always a stretch but something we needed to do as we were also thinking of housing our little family that has since evolved. Part of this budget was based on the assumption that you would be making a gift and loan to MrFogi. On this basis we took out a loan for the promised amount. Whilst I am aware that you had warned MrFogi that the gift/loan would take a few months to come through and did let MrFogi have a part of the money for which we are both very grateful, our assumption that we'd be able to repay the loan within a year or two of taking it out has proved to be incorrect this has caused a couple of issues. Firstly, we have been paying £x monthly interest on the loan since 200x which we did not budget for and secondly, recently banks have been looking more closely at their lending and the bank has pointed out to me that at the time of taking out the loan they did so on the basis of my reassurances that it would be repaid within a couple of years so this has now had a negative impact on my relationship with the bank and further there is now a concern that they will be reviewing their lending to us given that banks in the UK are now finding any excuse they can to pull pre-existing lending.

MrFogi and I are about to look at our budget for the coming years and it is imperative that we get it right this time. I am likely to be made redundant in the next few weeks and the job market is looking very bleak so clearly the consequences of us getting it wrong this time could be much more serious than having less money to live on. We are therefore doing our best to plan our budget for the coming years very carefully as our priorities now have to be how to firstly, ensure that we do not loose the house, secondly and to be able to pay for the bare essentials.

So that we can decide what to do in relation to managing the loan I should be grateful if you would let MrFogi know where he stands in relation to the rest of the gift/loan. I do not expect you to reply to me as clearly this is between you and MrFogi however I would be grateful if you would talk to MrFogi at some point (it is entirely up to you how you wish to raise the point with him and whether you raise this email).

I do hope you understand why I am writing to you and I do apologise if I have caused any offence it really is not my intention."

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mrsjammi · 08/02/2009 22:45

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bellabelly · 08/02/2009 22:47

It is all a bit stiff and formal - especially the second paragraph. think you need to be a bit more personal in your tone. What does MrFogi think about you contacting his dad, have you discussed it? Feel lots of sympathy for your situation - like you say, you need to know where you stand really.

ProfessorCalculus · 08/02/2009 22:48

It does sound a little formal and perhaps an email isn't the right way to bring this up. Can you not speak to him face to face?

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 08/02/2009 22:49

You aren't being unreasonable in wanting things clarified.

The short answer to this is that your husband needs to grow some balls and speak to his father. He is an idiot not to have done so until now.

TheFallenMadonna · 08/02/2009 22:50

You need to discuss it with your DH.

Dropdeadfred · 08/02/2009 22:51

is this the tone you normally take with your fil? it does sound from your emil that you are not close or relaxed with him...why is your dh not writing/phoning/taking him out for a chat?

snice · 08/02/2009 22:53

Its a really well written business letter but I think it will cause terrible trouble if you send it to a family member:-

a)Its too business-y and impersonal
b)V.bad form to ask for money -a gift is just that
c)Your DH should be dealing with the situation

Sorry

KingCanuteIAm · 08/02/2009 22:55

I think you have the answer already. It has been X (more than 2) years since the promised money. He said a few months, it has not come.

You are not getting it.

MrsFogi · 08/02/2009 22:56

Believe me I've exhausted all possibility of dh bringing it up basically he doesn't feel able to speak to his father (relationship I cannot understand where they don't seem to be able to have any relaxed conversation) and it has been the source of many arguments. Dh is fine about me contacting fil.

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chegirl · 08/02/2009 22:56

The email is not offensive. You are not unreasonable for wanting this sorted out.

But I wouldnt touch this with a barge pole. This is for your OH to deal with. Really you are opening yourself up for a world of trouble if you get involved. You are likely to come off badly.

Get your OH to sort this.

andlipsticktoo · 08/02/2009 22:57

That email is bound to cause ill feeling, it's very formal. I was cringing with embarrassment just reading it!

I agree with all above that your husband needs to say something in person, explaining how tight things are.

Good luck it is a difficult situation for you.

MrsFogi · 08/02/2009 22:58

I think also a part of me is so annoyed everytime he goes off on some fab holiday etc that I just want him to understand that this has had an impact on us (even if we never see the money). Particularly as the in-laws are so demanding of us. If I tried face to face he'd just snort and walk off as this is how he acts whenever anyone says anything he doesn't like.

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mamas12 · 08/02/2009 23:00

Firstly I think it should come from both of you.
Take out the word 'assumption' becasue as you said it was a promise.
But basically you're using too may words to ask him a simple question.
Hey --- you know that money you promised us, are you still able to give to us?
Don't ask not to respond to just you it's both of you.

snice · 08/02/2009 23:01

If you are determined to send it I would do it as a letter rather than as an e-mail. But I really hope you don't do it as it will almost certainly cause a big family row.

MinkyBorage · 08/02/2009 23:03

I have read the first paragraph, and THERE IS NO WAY YOU SHOULD SEND THIS TO YOUR FIL, IT IS YOUR DHs JOB, NOT YOURS!!!!!!

quint · 08/02/2009 23:06

Your DH needs to grow a pair and you need to tewll him this.

This I feel would cause great tension within the family. Either he goes to his dad or look for other ways in which you can raise the money, but I would not send the above email.

Sorry - you asked.

nooka · 08/02/2009 23:06

I would approach this from another tack. It's never a good idea to remind people of obligations they didn't fulfill, because it makes them feel guilty and under pressure. I think if you really feel you need to approach your ILs for money then it is better to do in a less confrontational way (and I can see you are trying to be really careful, so not having a dig).

I would go from the prospective of "Dear FIL you said a while back that you might help us out, now we really need your help (because of x y and z) any possibility of some assistance?" I would get your husband to write it, and I would not do so in an e-mail, but a proper written letter.

Otherwise although I can totally understand why you might want to write this email I think it will cause a great deal of grief. Plus I think you dh should stop letting you make all the financial decisions. Seems unfair, especially in your circumstances.

dearprudence · 08/02/2009 23:08

Agree with others that your DH should deal with this, but..

If you really must email him I'd leave out all the stuff about why you need the money and your personal circumtances. This makes it sound like a (very polite) begging letter. The point is that he said he was giving you the money and he hasn't. All you need to know is 'are you still giving/lending us the money or have you changed your mind?'.

So, I'd say something like "I am really sorry to contact you this way, and I am a little embarrassed about it, but I need to raise a delicate matter and I hope you won't be offended. MrFogi has wanted to discuss this with you for some time but he can't bring himself to raise it, so he has asked me to. When we bought our house, you were kind enough to offer us some money as a loan - we were so grateful for the offer and for the money you subsequently gave us. We totally understand if you have changed your mind about the other £x you mentioned, but it would really help us a lot just to know where we stand, and if this is the case perhaps you could just let MrFogi know. We are currently re-organising our finances and if we knew the situation for sure it would really help us."

funnypeculiar · 08/02/2009 23:09

If you think that you need to raise it - & I can kind of understand why you might - I would agree with mamas12.

Keep it very very simple - just ask if the rest of the loan/gift previously discussed is still feasible & ask for a timescale to be clarified. However tempting, don't get into talking about the implications to date/future implications - sounds accusatory and will cause offence. And keep it as chatty/informal as you can.

Leo9 · 08/02/2009 23:10

No, don't send it, never never never.

Just forget it. At the end of the day it is only money and asking for it (even if promised and not kept to) is just the worst form ever.

Agree that your DH is totally copping out here.

Just don't ask for money. Just don't.

dearprudence · 08/02/2009 23:13

PS to my post above - just wanted to reiterate that I really don't recommend you do this, but that DH speaks to him, possibly with you there.

From your later posts it seems there is some resentment and that the relationship with FIL isn't great. If this is the case, I really think an email will make things worse.

nooka · 08/02/2009 23:15

Agree with dearprudence, but also wanted to say I think her wording is really good.

mamas12 · 08/02/2009 23:24

I've changed my mind I agree with le9 now.
Forget the loan and seriously reoganise your finances to NOT include it and then in the future if he does give it to you it'll be a great bonus.

ProfessorCalculus · 08/02/2009 23:53

If I were you I would send a letter but keep it short and informal. Leave out all the financial detail. Dearprudence's wording sounds about right.

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