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my son 11 is in yr7 at a catholic high school
his english project at the moment is on ghosts and he has to re-serch them

aibu to think that this is not a topic i would like my son to look into esp being a catholic school, when you die you die and go to haven not stay on earth being a ghost

should i say something to school?

A little research would tell your son that ghosts weren't invented by the modern (19th/20th) century mediumistic movement. The tradition of ghosts in the sense of dead people returning has a long history in the west: the Romans had it, but it was also used by the Catholic church for admonitory purposes. Plenty of medieval sermons are based around the story of dead people returning from hell or purgatory to speak to the living, usually to warn them. The assumption seems to be that there is no such return from heaven.

Hi Lightshines etc..

Yea it does, I am a Chrisitan and have definite ideas due to my faith and Spiritual
understanding, I am writing a book on this topic at the moment - on Spiritual Chrisitanity tho not specifically on Ghosts more on spiritual perspectives on Chrisitanity rather than boring religous ones! Lol!

I don't know what your beliefs are but for me I use the Scriptures and gain discernment from Holy Spirit as when you make a decision to not only believe in Bible/Chrisitan faith but Follow practically 24/7 you have the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide you.

JZ7

But J27, the OP's son is in a Catholic school. And catholicism is based partly on the Bible, partly on the tradition of the Church, since it is believed that God has also revealed his will in the history of the Catholic church. Since the OP has chosen to send her son to a Catholic church, she presumably accepts this.

I am not a Catholic and do not know where the Catholic Church currently stands on ghosts, but it won't be based on the individual priest's or teacher's discernment but on the teaching of the Church as a whole.

Well, because most 'ghosts' and 'hauntings' are not an actual spirit manifestation but what is called a residual haunting, just a playback of what occurred on the site.

Residual or imprint ghosts aren't really here. It's just like playing the same DVD over and over again.

Doing very stupid things like playing with a ouija board opens you up to entities that were never human, and are thus not ghosts.

And of course, not everyone who dies goes to heaven, in Catholicism.

Cory - yea, I understand your point

But Catholic Church is part of Chrisitan Faith and when I said to speak to a Catholic priest I meant to speak to a church leader in person who could share the Catholic understanding in person, I didnt mean the priests own views although somehow personal views do become integrated anyway.

The Catholic Faith is not the ultimate authority on God revealing His Will as the Holy Spirit and Scripture and purpose of Christ teaching was for everyone Jew, Non-Jew, slave, Master etc... Jesus and God never intended their to be a religious institution aka C of E or Catholic but that nations would be transformed through the Gospel, not through the temple or 'Pharisee hierarchy of church' which became Dogma etc...

The most important thing in Faith is Who we think Jesus Christ is and How we choose to respond to His teaching on a personal level not according to a priest, pope, vicar, church leader etc.. but our own decision and connection to God through, Scripture, Jesus and Holy Spirit... Everything else is created by man to control God and tame the Holy Spirit!

Just for inspiration
Anyone interested go to Loui Giglio -video on Laminin on Godtube 2ns top video! Wow !!!

JZ7

let me know what ya think!

Are catholics not allowed to believe in ghosts then? I know people who are christians (C of E) so believe we go to heaven when we do but still believe that spirits can visit us.

Chrisitans and ideally Catholics should not believe or practice in Ghosts or contacting the dead it is NOT Biblical, there are scriptures warning against such things.

Yea the was the whole Moses, and two other disciples who appeared on Mountain after they died and were raptured, but that is not viewed the same way as dead people spirits contacting us.

Angels under God can visit us and they too have the power to morph into figures or people we recogonise but when this happens it is not the event or visitation thats important it is the Message they bring that should be important.

It is in scripture that dead people and their spirits are in a place of peace under Gods Grace.

Sometimes people have had an experience or seen something but it is the way people interpret what has happened that is the key element.

People who have seen a 'ghost' or 'spirit'
will often interpret this as seeing a dead person or a relative when eithe it is a false spirit/Fallen Angel or a Holy Angel

"The Catholic Faith is not the ultimate authority on God revealing His Will as the Holy Spirit and Scripture and purpose of Christ teaching was for everyone Jew, Non-Jew, slave, Master etc... Jesus and God never intended their to be a religious institution aka C of E or Catholic but that nations would be transformed through the Gospel, not through the temple or 'Pharisee hierarchy of church' which became Dogma etc..."

Isn't this rather irrelevant to a thread whose OP has chosen a Catholic school for her child? If she has chosen the school, then presumably she can't complain if the school teaches Catholicism. And if she believes that Jesus did not intend there to be a religious institution such as the Catholic church, wouldn't it have been rather odd of her to have put her son in a Catholic school.

nb am not saying that the existence of ghosts is an essential part of Catholic dogma. Just pointing out that you can't blame a Catholic school for not teaching evangelical christianity. If you want evangelical, choose an evangelical school or home school.

Apologies to OP- getting sidetracked.

OK so ideally Christians shouldn't believe in contacting the dead. But they can't really not believe in it if they see a ghost or contact the dead through a medium can they.

OP catholics do believe in ghosts, it is part of the religion. part of the belief is the holy trinity(yes , very matrix lol),- the father , the son and the HOLY GHOST. other wise known as the holy spirit , aka the essence of god.catholics are not allowed to dable in the occult and can be excommunicated for such activities, but catholic priests(some specially trained) are exorcists and can remove ghosts and spirits from places or from possesing people. catholics are one of the few religions who have a specific group to do this. hope this explains it for you, because its all very confusing. (was brought up catholic)

1.Spiritusl does not always refer to people or situations involving talking to the dead or ghosts like people who are healed by the Holy Spirit, or Helped by an Angel these are spiritual, supernaturall events and experiences that have nothing to do with human dead people.

Jesus Christ aka Holy is not viewed or understood as a 'ghost' even thou later it was termed Holy Ghost' Christ was given a new transformed body so when disciples saw him it was not like a 'ghostly apparaition'

1. Anyone who has problems with a 'ghost' (false spirit) and needs to rid the place or self or person of the influence of the false spirit/ghost Anyone who has read and Accepts Jesus Christs teachings, authority etc. He gave us the gift and power of prayer.

So anyone who Prays in the Name of Jesus Christ can deal with ghosts/false spirits, possession/deliverance as the Holy Spirit when called in the name of Jesus will intervene.

Its not only Catholics who can do 'Exorcisms' although in Current culture of Christianity it is better termed as deliverance minsistry which can involve either spiritual probs or strongholds in the persons life and soul so still spiritual in nature but strongholds don't always mean
a spirit/ghost is at work.

No special training is needed to ask for powerful prayer.
However if someone is having probs it is wiser to share the probs with someone they trust in their church and talk things out and the whole area of deliverance ministry can be a very triky area, the leading of such thing needs to be led by the person themselves and not by leaders, friends, you have to follow the pace , understanding and will of the person and stand in agreement with the person when they are ready.

Whilst you don't need training to sort out a problem with spirit etc.. when helping people in ministry even for a physical healing it is generally wise to have some basic safe-practice training as there is a level of counselling also needed for the person(s) involved.

1. Just because someone has seen a 'ghost' even a Christian or Catholic does not mean that they would think, hey I just 'seen a dead person' as a ghost, most people do call this experience a ghost or an angel.

Even tho people may say they see ghosts does not mean that dead people actually appear as ghosts to haunt us.

That is how some explain the situation especially if they do not know about the concept of a false spirit.

I have seen an apparition myself, no one I recognised but cos of my faith I knew it was not a dead person, it was a visible representation to a spiritual stronghold either in the house or in my life. And I classed it as a false spirit. Tho most haunted team if they saw it would call it a ghost referring to dead person.

But the question of Clarity is whether what people see is a false spirit or an Angel and to gain clarity prayer and calling the name of the Jesus and asking Holy Spirit for help
would reveal the true nature of what is being seen.

Too often on TV and in mags they are bias towards ghosts-being dead people and never reveal other views and teachings from other beliefs cos the truth is sometimes a stubbling block to those who can't handle it

JZ

Has anyone seen the youtube video of the actual video of an Angel outside a hospital room door of a child who was having probs and nearly died ?

Google Angel in hospital and you should be able to find it.
If not I will get the link and paste on here

JZ

yabu
the supernatural literary device apart from anything else is worthy of discussion (or is this too young an age group)
Also why does religion get to determine what is taught?
Will he learn Darwinian theory?

I have had 4 DS's - two of them have died. I can honestly say that their souls - or spirits - or whatever your chosen religion chooses to call it - walk amongst my family every day. Sometimes, my DS4 is fast asleep and I hear him shouting Mum, Mum - I go running upstairs and he is fast asleep. Maybe one of my two sons who have died? They are all around me - my 2 living sons and my 2 sons who have passed on. I am never alone they are always there.

JZ7 citing videos on Youtube as proof of anything will not get you very far, given that anyone with more than a couple of braincells knows how easy it is to make convincing looking spooky films (and there is absolutely no objective reference on YOutube). Though there are some excellent ghost ones which are either hilarious or make you jump out of your underwear.

I have seen my brother as a spirit and my dad has seen his mum. They are both dead so I think we can safely say we saw spirits who are dead people.

I was not citing utube videos for proof just to inspire hsve u seen the video?

Nope. Nor do I need to, as I have seen plenty of fake ghost pics and videos (and done some messing around with photography and video making 'ghostly' effects as well).

Ronaldinhio on Fri 16-Jan-09 00:31:05
yabu
"the supernatural literary device apart from anything else is worthy of discussion (or is this too young an age group)
Also why does religion get to determine what is taught?
Will he learn Darwinian theory?"

Quite likely if he's in a Catholic school. Comparatively few Catholics are creationists (compared to evangelicals).

This thread is very confusing because we have two totally different viewpoints:

the OP whose son attends a Catholic school

J27, whose ?only experience of Christianity seems to be evangelical, and who appears to think that Catholic schools ought to teach evangelical Christianity because that is right.

both of them appear to be fairly ignorant of what Catholics actually believe:

the OP seems unaware of the Catholic belief in purgatory (quote "when you die you die and go to haven"); J27 seems to believe that her brand of Christianity forms the whole of the "Current culture of Christianity".

(personally, I am neither a Catholic nor a believer in ghosts, but if I entered one of my children into a faith school I would read up on the faith taught first)

Cory: I was replying to other posts about whatever the messages were such as Catholic is one of the few or only faith that does exorcisms and specific people are trained to that.

General: Its not about being evangelical,C of E or Catholic or any other part of the Body of Christianity

It is about Biblical Scripture and guidance from the Holy Spirit.

The OP was concerned about he son reading up on ghosts as a genuine concern, although forewarned is forearmed - if you read about a subject but not actually practice it or believe in it then you are more aware with what you are dealing with.
Like people help in ministry would need to study different topics and then go back to scripture for guidance.

Although I would not really want my child to study ghosts or encourage them to I think as long as you as the parent guide your child, ask them questions to know what they think and it may be even more rewarding to have a deep discussion with your child as children have interesting insights and perceptions that us adults seem to lose when we get all boring (sometimes), serious.

If you saw the Angel video you would hear witness accounts of actual hospital staff who where there at the time and saw it, its not just about the footage its about real testimonies.

Yes I have seen many videos and most of them are fake but this one is different, the girl was on her death bed and survived.

JZ

The OP was not moaning about Catholic teaching but about the English class being set study of ghosts in a faith school.

It would be so interesting for the local Catholic priest to be asked questions on what the Catholic faith views are on the subject of ghosts.

Also the key element is that any rare or unusual unexplained event that happens is only perception and interpreted rather than actual fact.

Some would say well you can see love and its not 'fact' and to some extent its perception and feelings so how do we know our love is real? Through relationship and contact with the person, the relationship is an outward representation and creation of our love for our family, friends, pets etc...

JZ

Actually I would have been scared if I had had to research this age 11...really very scared....or am I am wimp?

Not suitable for age group imo