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RE My ExP and Contact with my DS. Or is he REALLY being an arse? What can/should i do?

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BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 11:31

Ok i have thought about posting this since yesterday when the contact was supposed to have taken place.
I have my own take on it, my new DP does also, just wanted a few more opinions please!

Some background to begin with.
My ExP was an evil, violent, and manipulative person
When he left 6/7 years ago it took a long time to get over what he had done to me and my children. He never showed any interest in contact, but did keep tabs on me via his friends, who live in my area.
His mantra was, "If i cannot have you, i do not want anything to do with DS."
Briefly in 2004 he did start having contact with DS as DS's initiation, walking him back from school ect, this lasted approximately a week before he became violent to DS one day because he asked him what he had for dinner and DS said he didn't remember. The violence left DS with bruising on his thigh and a slap/thump mark on the side of his head.
As a result of this i banned all contact, and contacted the police and SS. Police investigation basically came down to 'over chastisement' bruises and a hard slap/punch in the head of a 7 year old boy? Hmph.
So ExP never got any kind of punishment for what he had done, and the police didn't even bother letting me know, after my son was interviewed on camera and everything..what the result of their investigation was, the SW had to let me know
Following this incident, no contact took place until i met my new DP just over 2 years ago. ExP found out on the grapevine, i had not had a serious relationship since i split up with him, you see, that i was living with DP and obviously he saw this as a threat, so started a campaign against me (SS turning up saying they had reports i was not feeding my son, leaving him home alone while i was at work, that kind of thing) And applying for contact with DS.
He was obviously watching my house as well at some point because i also had the police turn up once when my DS was 10, he and a friend of his (13) had stayed at home while me and DP went shopping, i came back to find the police sitting in my house saying i had left him home alone, had to go to police station and do a statement, this was then all dropped as they saw it as a malicious attempt on the part of my ExP so he had something to use against me in contact proceedings.
So all this was taking its toll.
I agreed unsupervised contact at court because this was my DS's wish, so he could go out with his dad. Obviously i pointed out the worries i had re violence but the CAFCASS officer said that ExP would be on his best behaviour given that court was now involved.
During these unsupervised contacts, where ExP would come to my home, collect my son, and take him out, he would harrass my DS for information about me, my DP, our relationship, ect, and tell DS to tell the court he wanted to live with ExP, or "He would make mummy's life a misery"
Well my DS came back home subdued most times during the next few weeks of contact but would not say why. Eventually, he cried and told me everything. Absolutely i stopped the contact, after explaining to DS why i was doing it (emotional abuse and threats)
When the matter was referred back to court, i raised the issues that had happened, and was annoyed to find them not taken as seriously as i would have liked ("Oh, just teething problems") so i refused to allow contact and did an extremely detailed statement covering all of the abuse to which i and my children had been subjected, i held back on nothing. One of the magistrates (a man btw) cried when he read it. I told them i would allow supervised contact. For the sake of my DS, nothing else. So they arranged it, now once a week i have to take DS to a contact centre about three miles away from our home and drop him off + collect him. Its a bit awkward as we only have one car so DP is having to rush back home from work so we can drop him off, but we are managing ok. Yesterday i knew my DP would be working late so i said i would be ok to walk my DS there and DP was going to collect me. We took a nice slow walk down, (am 40+2 pg lol) and arrived to be told ExP had called to say he had a bad back and would not be coming. He phoned half an hour before contact was due to start
The contact centre woman had told him we were coming but were making our own way there, this was in the morning..the only one other time i had to walk there he did exactly the same thing..
I believe he is doing it to make my life hard and regret my decision to go for supervised contact, but obviously i can not prove this. I was really pissed off, DS was devastated (it was ExP's birthday and he had brought him a card) so when DP turned up he, quite understandably faced with two upset people, went NUTS. He thinks that i should pull the contact next week.. at the last minute.
I tried to be positive through all the pissed off namecalling ect for the sake of DS who was quite upset and angry, but was coping with it quite well and patiently, DP was more angry about us walking there and being let down so he was fuming, plus he mentioned the fact ExP might have done it on purpose as we both know how he works. I couldn't say anything bad about ExP because we were in front of my son, even though i could have cheerfully strangled him lol! DP thinks i am too soft a touch and letting ExP get away with what he is doing, and not getting angry.

What do you think? And what should i do?
Am thinking about raising it in court but if he says he had a bad back so could not go to contact, i can not prove otherwise.

Sorry this is long as well!

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MamaG · 09/01/2009 12:06

Gosh you have had a hard time haven't you.

IMO you are doing very well by your DS, letting him have a relationship with this man bu still keeping him safe.

Don't jeopardise your position by lowering yourself to his level - keep the moral high ground and don;t give him any reason to criticise you in Court.

Good luck

Lauriefairycake · 09/01/2009 12:10

Do you think he is actually 'watching' you have to walk there before ringing? - shitty thing to do if so.

However, you can't prove it so you might as well suck it up and carry on going to the court ordered supervised contact - at least you know you're doing the right thing.

tryingtocookacurry · 09/01/2009 12:13

I have recently been through 'similar' circumstances with regards to contact but certainly nothing like as difficult as yours.
Now your son is old enough to make the decisions can you not take your lead from him? Does he feel angry at his dad? or does he still want to keep seeing him with supervised contact? It sounded like he had made him very upset.

BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 12:18

Thanks

No the bloody idiotic contact centre dopey cow grrrr stupid woman tells him too much and he knows i have to walk there so throws an 'i can't come because' line.

Any time i go in the car he doesn't do it.

I just don't want to tit for tat although i understand DP's frustration with me seemingly just 'taking it on the chin' i told him i just don't want ExP knowing he has got to me..

I also understand that he thinks i am giving too much emotionally to this situation, and we were blissfully happy without this mornon involved in our lives but IMO thats why he is doing this, to put his foot in it, so i won't rise to his manipulations.
I think he was more angry for my DS being let down, and for me being HUGE with his baby and having to walk down all that way and being messed about, tbh.
I suppose its not really an AIBU question more like i needed a rant and some sympathy off the wonderful MN'ers sob

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BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 12:22

Hi TTCC, no my son is very forgiving. It hurts to see him hurt but he has to make up his own mind and see his dad for what he is for himself.

We just have to be there to pick up the pieces i suppose.

Its infuriating and sooooo tempting to phone next week at 10 to 5 and say DS can't come..but that is spiting DS not anyone else, i can't do that.

Repeat: "I will NOT let ExP get to me" x however long it takes before i believe it

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Lauriefairycake · 09/01/2009 12:22

You know the thing is if you do nothing apart from turn up every week without complaint it will look like you're not bothered at all.

And then any distress he thinks he's causing you will just be in his stupid little head.

BitOfFun · 09/01/2009 12:24

Give us a cuddle girl! You are doing brilliantly- what a nob of the highest order! X

stealthsquiggle · 09/01/2009 12:29

Could you explain (without DS hearing) to the contact centre staff what you think ExP is up to and ask them not to share information with him?

You are being the bigger person here. You have done so well to protect your DS without taking away his right to form his own opinion of his father. I am filled with admiration. You are absolutely right in saying that cancelling at the last minute would only really hurt DS, and there is also the risk that ExP would find out and somehow use it against you.

Has your DP calmed down yet?

BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 12:47

Yes he has lol i understand why he was angry, he turned up to see a v upset little boy (who he acts aloof from but feels protective of really) And a hassled mum who is trying to comfort DS.. Plus he hates ExP anyway for the past violence and also the crap he started when i finally started a serious relationship.
I was single till i met my DP you see.

I have told the contact staff time and time again about ExP being manipulative..the problem is that he is a really really (x 20) and breathe! nice person when he wants to be, and easily sucks people in. He just has that way about him..plus he manages to get information out of people without them seeming to realise?? I don't want to sound paranoid so will stop there but he can be very insistent (re the stalking) and is a very intelligent person. I have requested a psychological assessment as part of the court process as i truly believe that he is only interested in DS as a way to stay in some kind of contact with me.

He used to say weird things like 'we will be together when we're old' , even though we had split up a long time before.. 'I will never have any more children with anyone but you, you are the mother of my child and if there are to be any more they will be with you'

Fkin wierdo.. so it speaks for itself that when i got with DP and now i am having a baby, he must have seen his bubble burst somewhat.
I'm not afraid of him any more, i'm way past that, sometimes i think that i scare him more now then he ever did me.. i just don't want this contact issue to run my familys life as it is now, or to affect us any more than a minimal amount, OR for this to turn into an all out war between ExP and DP. DP can be a bit of a pain but he is very angry about what i went through with ExP and doesn't believe i should give him the time of day never mind go to what seems so much effort.

*Sigh

I wish he would just drop off the face of the earth

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bumpybecky · 09/01/2009 12:54

well.... if you're 40+2 then the chances are by next week you'll have had your baby

if not, you'll be far too pregnant and grumpy to be dealing with contact with your ex. I've been overdue with mine 41+4, 41+1, 40+3 and 41+3 so do understand a bit. I'm amazed you didn't absolutely lose the plot yesterday and rip the head off of the receptionist. Maybe that's just me in late pregnancy though

anyway, either very pregnant or with newborn I'd not want to be dealing with this. I'd tell DS now that due to the baby you're going to cancel next week's contact visit.

I'd tell the contact center maybe 15 minutes before the visit time.....

Fluffybubble · 09/01/2009 12:55

I think that Laurie is right - he is out for a reaction, so by turning up next week and being as ultra-reasonable as possible you will not not give him the satisfaction of knowing he has affected you.

You have been amazing to facilitate this relationship, when it is obviously distressing, yet so important to your ds. In time, I imagine that your ds will make the decision to leave contact himself. Your dp sounds lovely and he is, presumably, very protective of you and your ds. However, he is not in your position, and you have to do what you think is right.

So...in answer to your question YANBatallU, and your ex is an arse!! Keep doing what you are doing, until your ds sees the light or your ex gets himself a life .

Fluffybubble · 09/01/2009 12:59

Also..do you have to tell the contact centre if you will be walking (dumb emoticon!)?? Can you not give them any information at all if it likely to be passed on? Maybe you could get a taxi if you are stuck without a car, as then you retain some control (if ex knows that you are alone, pg and walking with ds and has been violent in the past...sorry if that is over-dramatic)?

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 09/01/2009 13:07

Think the suggestion of cancelation due to new baby is def not unreasonable. maybe 24 hrs notice (don't stoop to his level and all that)

MadameCastafiore · 09/01/2009 13:07

If you cannot get there by car you do not go - you ring and say at your stage in your pregnancy you cannot walk and so he will have to wait until next week - your son should understand this. And then when the baby is born you cannot go walking that far for a while and then you don;t want to be taking the baby out in the cold if you don't have a car.

It works both ways - I am sure a judge would understand your predicament - you are being very understanding letting him have any contact and he is still taking the piss.

COuld you not get your DP to take your son to the contact centre - my x husband is always really agreeable when it comes to anything to do with DD when he is speaking to DH - with me he is deliberatley arsey and antagonistic but faced with a 6ft thick set bloke he seems to settle down a peg or two!

Lauriefairycake · 09/01/2009 13:12

I wouldn't mess with the arrangements and I would get someone else to take him - I think you would only get a small amount of lee-way to disturb the contact arrangements for giving birth.

What you don't want, given all the shit you've had, is to end up with unsupervised contact being allowed.

Get dh or someone else to take him when you're not able to.

Unsupervised contact with this prick doesn't bear thinking about.

ilovelovemydog · 09/01/2009 13:18

I work in a Contact Centre and would be really surprised if they were sharing information with your exDP.

Not sure that you would be able to stop contact based on one incident where he didn't show up.

If nothing else, it's a poor reflection on him, not you, and records are kept of when visits take place.

Agree with others - have your DP take DS to contact centre

BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 13:38

Thank you all so much what with how long the OP was and how complicated i did think it would get ignored lol.
I am quite reasonable tbh even though i was fuming yesterday .. i told the contact centre i would be on foot as i was just being my usual chatty (who sent me the dumb emoticon cos its just kicking in ) self...

Didn't mind the walk in all honesty, i'm not humungous, it wasn't pissing it down with rain, and being overdue i suppose there was a teeny hope it might push things in the right direction lol..
Think i was just angry at how he is suddenly affecting our lives and what a good job he is doing of it as well.
Yes, DP is lovely (if a bit of a grump at times), and is EXTREMELY protective.. he too has children (my beautiful DSD and DSS) and he also has seen them let down with contact with mum, which i suppose adds to the mix, and he doesn't hold back his opinion that i let ExP and others walk all over me.. "You are too bloody soft"

I feel so much better now just offloading to be fair..i more than likely, although tempted not to, will turn up at contact next week all sweetness and light..DP would take DS to contact, he wouldn't be violent to ExP no matter what, but he may say some home truths..and, you know the rest lol. ExP was just a bully and there is no way on this earth he would say anything to DP, the only people he could ever intimidate would be women and kids.
Becky lol!

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BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 13:42

x-posted with you sorry ilovemydog..

No way would i want to stop contact..its just why does he have to be such a tosser?

Despite everything, i allowed unsupervised contact and he seems determined to be a .... ooooooooo how many swearwords i could pick from here..

so we had to take a step backwards for my son's sake and have supervised contact, which i'm sorry, but it can be poo, and boring, but i felt like i had no choice.

Why did he throw it all back in our faces and be such a prick spoilt it for himself AND DS more to the point.

And breathe

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beanieb · 09/01/2009 13:44

"He thinks that i should pull the contact next week.. at the last minute" dopn't do this.

for your sons sake don't start playing the same game as your ex.

BlueSapphire77 · 09/01/2009 16:35

Thanks beanie..no there's no way i would play his mind games with my son.. my DP said that out of anger at seeing my DS upset, knowing how much he was looking forward to contact as it was his dads b'day, knowing that he had saved up himself to get a card, seeing me trying to comfort DS, and also that he had rushed back from work to try and save us the walk but i had already left.. the fact i am heavy preg with our baby, the fact that he knows ExP is extremely manipulative, and the belief that, like everything else ExP does, this was designed to cause trouble and upset.. This is the impression he has given DP right from the start..

I understand his anger for those reasons, and his heated comments, its a shame my son heard them but he knows he is loved and protected by me and DP.

Thank you though because your comment mirrors everyone elses sentiment that i should not play tit for tat, so i know i'm doing the right thing..thanks for taking the time to reply as well hun xx

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